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An Inconvenient Truth
Zoot Katz wrote:
On 09 Jun 2006 03:30:07 GMT, wrote: BTW, I'm old enough to remember the same dire 1970's warnings about the coming ice age that was gonna freeze us all out in the near future. Got just as many people just as wound up as the whole global warming thing does today. Who predicted an ice age. Revisionists. I think Mr. Hickey has morphed the fears about a possible "nuclear winter", following a nuclear war, into his "ice age" from childhood. But then why did you trim the link showing the ACTUAL significant cooling from the 40's to the '70s, and the associated discussion from that era? I think Mr. Katz didn't check out the link, and is shooting from the hip. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
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An Inconvenient Truth
Mark Hickey wrote:
Zoot Katz wrote: On 09 Jun 2006 03:30:07 GMT, wrote: BTW, I'm old enough to remember the same dire 1970's warnings about the coming ice age that was gonna freeze us all out in the near future. Got just as many people just as wound up as the whole global warming thing does today. Who predicted an ice age. Revisionists. I think Mr. Hickey has morphed the fears about a possible "nuclear winter", following a nuclear war, into his "ice age" from childhood. But then why did you trim the link showing the ACTUAL significant cooling from the 40's to the '70s, and the associated discussion from that era? I think Mr. Katz didn't check out the link, and is shooting from the hip. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame I am with Mark here since I remember some of the events. Winter of 1962-1963 when I lived in the Chicago area and one morning I got up to go to school and it was 26 degrees below zero F, not C. On the radio it was -35 in Minneapolis, both all time record cold. In California from 1963 to about 1975 it used to snow on the mountains around Silicon Valley and I used to bicycle or Car up to the snow. In 1973 (maybe 1972) it snowed in the valley, very memorable because some friends and I were making a beer run and our car got snowed over in the time we were in the store BS'ing with the owner. Friday or Saturday night, one of the two. The cooling was real, just as the current heating is now. I think it was just last year that London had an all time high in the 100's, which has not happened since recorded history. We MUST be having some effect. Bill Baka |
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On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 05:57:11 -0700, Mark Hickey
wrote: Zoot Katz wrote: On 09 Jun 2006 03:30:07 GMT, wrote: BTW, I'm old enough to remember the same dire 1970's warnings about the coming ice age that was gonna freeze us all out in the near future. Got just as many people just as wound up as the whole global warming thing does today. Who predicted an ice age. Revisionists. I think Mr. Hickey has morphed the fears about a possible "nuclear winter", following a nuclear war, into his "ice age" from childhood. But then why did you trim the link showing the ACTUAL significant cooling from the 40's to the '70s, and the associated discussion from that era? There is no linked URL in the message I quoted: I only started browsing the thread and have no intention of reading through a thread which was early on diverted into an ideological political issue by the resident freepers. I think Mr. Katz didn't check out the link, and is shooting from the hip. I believe the expression is "shooting from the lip". Forgive me, "Nuclear Winter" was an '80's thing. predicted Ice Age - yeah, same scenario. Media (controlled by your NWO Bilderberg buddies) misrepresented the actual science. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling "The Washington Post reports that in 1974 the National Science Board, the governing body of the National Science Foundation, stated: During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. This statement is correct (see Historical temperature record) although the Washington Post quotes it with disapproval. The Post says the Board had observed two years earlier: Judging from the record of the past inter glacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end . . . leading into the next glacial age. This quote is taken quite out of context, however, and is misleading as it stands. A more complete quote is: Judging from the record of the past inter glacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end ... leading into the next glacial age. However, it is possible, or even likely, than human interference has already altered the environment so much that the climatic pattern of the near future will follow a different path. . ." Here's a link you may care to read before responding http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/ You've been duped by your mafia's pollsters like Frank Luntz who penned a rather infamous memo which read, in part: "The scientific debate is closing [against us] but not yet closed. There is still a window of opportunity to challenge the science," "Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. "Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate.". . . "A compelling story, even if factually inaccurate, can be more emotionally compelling than a dry recitation of the truth," I'm not going to bother searching for your linked sources. Especially they're as spurious as the totally discredited sources you've quoted before. I'm thinking of that home-schooled bunch of fundamentalist/survivalist nutbars in Oregon, OISM, and their often touted "petition project" claiming that thousands of scientist had signed. Further investigation shows that most of those "scientists" signing that petition never studied climatology. The whole thing was cooked up by a PR firm. -- zk |
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Vote Republican, Vote for Armageddon!
Werehatrack wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:47:44 -0700, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: wrote Just a snippet or two: You may have heard of the "Snows of Kilamanjaro"... today there is no snow, or ice on that mountain that was once a broad topped white loaf the year around. Wrong. There is still ice and snow there. However, it is believed that it will be gone soon. The tourist trade has picked up a lot because people want to see it before it's gone. Photos I have seen, taken over a long but scattered succession of years in April of each, reveal that the snows have retreated to the point that we will almost certainly see their end in the next 5 to 10 years. They are considerably smaller than at any time in recorded history, and none of the glaciers which covered the mountain's flanks for the past 11,000 years are now intact; many have no remnants at all. You may have heard of the largest inland sea, the Aral sea. You will see instead a desert with larger commercial fishing boats scattered in the sand. Not caused by global warming. Caused by diversions for (mostly cotton) crops. That's part of it, but the major problem is that there has been a significant reduction in the runoff that feeds the rivers which formerly flowed into the Aral. The agricultural diversion's cessation would not refill the sea to its former level at this point; evaporation would still keep it at a much lower level. The Aral would be much larger than it is, but also far smaller than it was by a large margin, if the agricultural diversion had not been made...and the difference can't be attributed to anything but climatological change. And then there's the expansion of the Sahara and Sahel, the loss of 150 cubic kilometers of the Antarctic ice cap to melting in the past 20 years, the continued melting of the Greenland ice cap, the unprecedented opening of a Northwest Passage for two years in a row, the fact that the climate in my own area now supports trees and vegetation that would have been killed by freezing weather previously, and loads of other observable indicators that things are not as they should be, and are getting steadily worse. But, of course, some people will ignore all of the evidence that's under their own noses simply because they dislike the politics of the person delivering the message, or they have been convinced to distrust the message itself by the continuing PR campaign of US business interests, or because they simply do not want to have to confront the necessities which will shortly be visited upon them when the "fearmongers" are proven correct. Of course, when the really bad stuff starts to kick in, the people who are currently denying that there's a problem will split into two groups; one will blame the messengers for not telling them that something was wrong sooner (even though they were, in fact, being told just that), and the other will blame the environmentalists for interfering with their ability to simply mine more fuel so that they could just run their AC units a little harder until things settled back to normal. There's going to be a new "normal", and lots of people aren't going to like it. And there are still others who work hard on destruction, so they can say: "Gee, I told you so, Armageddon is coming soon!" Vote for Republican, Vote for Armageddon! |
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An Inconvenient Truth
Zoot Katz wrote: I'm not going to bother searching for your linked sources. Especially they're as spurious as the totally discredited sources you've quoted before. I'm thinking of that home-schooled bunch of fundamentalist/survivalist nutbars in Oregon, OISM, and their often touted "petition project" claiming that thousands of scientist had signed. Further investigation shows that most of those "scientists" signing that petition never studied climatology. The whole thing was cooked up by a PR firm. -- zk The whole Global Warming issue is bogus. And so is smoking... Oh, sorry, now Phillip Morris has acknowledge the Truth and even helps smokers to quit. That's Exxon and Mobil in the future. Too little, too late. |
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