A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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I agree with everything Mark said, except the part about me being a
"moron".

Lol that is still up for debate, some of your rants support what I say tho

In addition to the info Mark gave, Bass also won't hesitate to take his
Usenet
quarrels "real life". He actually found out where I worked and called my
boss.
He lied and told him I used our company's resources to run a credit check
on
him. My boss knew he was full of ****, but still - it goes to show what a
nefarious ******* Bass is.

Yup forgot about that although with some of the things you've said to him
you deserved it, as far as I know he's never called anyone else's employer
in the NG including mine that I know of, doesn't that tell you something?

All is calm in ASA right now, but wait about two weeks for all hell to
break
loose again.

Tom Fowler once told me if RLB ever left he'd drag him back in at all costs
because otherwise the NG would be boring, look at it now, no Mike, no Bass,
Frank's almost calm and you rarely post...boring

"skip" wrote in message
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Lemme guess, first name is Vince?



Yeah. Seems to me the first name did start with a V.

skip

I always felt that was a very overblown story



But surely not the part about him being dead.

skip

True but most of the accusations were why he killed himself and if he really
did it where his body was found

Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= Mark Leuck = wrote:


"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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I agree with everything Mark said, except the part about me being a
"moron".

Lol that is still up for debate, some of your rants support what I say tho

I wouldn't say my rants support your position. I take every opportunity to
discredit fat-ass I can get. Does it make me look like a loud-mouthed jerk
sometimes? Yes.
But....

I get email all the time from his prospective customers asking why I hate him so
much. I have a way a dissuading them from buying from him (without lying).



My boss knew he was full of ****, but still - it goes to show what a
nefarious ******* Bass is.

Yup forgot about that although with some of the things you've said to him
you deserved it, as far as I know he's never called anyone else's employer
in the NG including mine that I know of, doesn't that tell you something?


What exactly did I do that was any different? The only difference was I was
vulnerable. Granted, you never got as 'hard-core' as I. The only thing I can
think of is that he might still think he can use you somehow.



All is calm in ASA right now, but wait about two weeks for all hell to
break
loose again.

Tom Fowler once told me if RLB ever left he'd drag him back in at all costs
because otherwise the NG would be boring, look at it now, no Mike, no Bass,
Frank's almost calm and you rarely post...boring


Tom told me on the phone that he would kick the ever-loving **** out of fat-ass,
given the right circumstances. I'd like to see that. I'm not much of a
brawler, but if that ****er ever interferes with my personal life again he'll
see what I'm capable of.

Did Tom tell you his TX plans?


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-Graham

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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Freewheeling wrote:


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Where is the missing $8 billion in Iraqi oil revenue? Why doesn? Paul
Bremer have an answer?


Kofi Annan probably has it, if it's actually missing. And these are the
guys you think don't have enough power.

And just how would Kofi Annan end up with money that was handed out by
Bremer and the CPA? Make some sense!


You're talking about vague and unsubstantiated allegations by the left.
I'm talking about current investigations by Congress and other
institutions into the most extensive and cynical fraud in history.

Naturally I can understand why you wouldn't want to discuss it.

Paul Volker failed to find the "smoking gun" all the right wingers were
hoping for. Deal with it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "smoking gun." Are you talking about Cotecna?
That's one small aspect of a rich tapestry of corruption, and it's not clear
that Volker has been given the means to get to the bottom of that particular
cesspool. We'll see, though. The report hasn't come out yet, which makes
Annan's apologia a bit premature. But Claudia Rosett at the NYT has been
documenting this corruption, and the investigations are far from over.


What is vague and unsubstantiated about the missing money that was under
the control of the CPA/Bremer? Or are you now in the business of inventing
"facts" like your heroes Cheney and Rove?

"Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told CNN that the provisional authority
was operating under "extraordinary conditions" and relied on Iraqi
ministries to manage development money that was transferred to them.
"We simply disagree with the audit's conclusion that the CPA provided
less-than-adequate controls over Iraqi funds that were provided to Iraqi
ministries through the national budget process for hundreds of projects,
essential services, Iraqi salaries and security forces," Whitman said."

So this appears to be only a matter of accounting by Iraqi ministries
operating under extraordinary circumstances. There's no evidence that
anything nefarious or ontoward was done with the money, unlike the UN's
handling of Oil-for-Food which we know was corrupt, and several orders of
magnitude greater. And you can add to that rising toll of corruption at the
UN the sexual exploitation of children by UN officials in Africa.

Meanwhile, in Holland members of parliament are being held in prison
conditions to protect them from Islamist terrorists. Some of their
co-parliamentarians feel they should resign. Yeah, that'd work. What's one
small step in a thousand mile retreat?

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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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No, you like most people are unwilling to see things as they are and how
they could be. This is understandable, because the normal human brain is
not capable of handling such a disconnect - to know than only a small
handful of the six billion have the true freedom to pursue real
opportunities, while the rest are held in servitude by economic or
social restrictions will certainly lead to mental disorders.

You can not handle the truth of how bad things are, so you create clever
intellectual arguments to convince yourself that things are acceptable
and getting better. It is why you refuse to see evil where it clearly
exists. We are doomed to a miserable existence by greed and avarice.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Damn talk about being disconnected....I pity you Tom



What you are seeing here is quintessential Tom Sherman. His contention
that we are doomed to a miserable existence by greed and avarice is the
cornerstone of his beliefs.

You will never again have to wonder why he is miserable. Or wonder how
he can think as he does. He just told you why. And he won't budge an
inch from that belief. No one has had any success in moving him from
that position.

Ward Churchill's colleagues in Arts and Humanities at CU have published a
petition to have the investigation into Churchill dropped, on the grounds
that there was no "prior complaint," about his various personal,
professional and artistic frauds. Meanwhile he claims that there's no right
to celebrate Columbus Day because it conflicts with his "right to dignity"
as a native American. Which would be a good argument, when you get right
down to it, for doing away with elections entirely since no matter who is
elected it's bound to offend the dignity of some anarchist or feminist.

It's the great foggy legitimacy grab: "All of your base belong to us." It
will get more insistent, until it begins to justify terrorism. Oh wait...
it already does... Come to think of it, it always has.

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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skip wrote:

"Mark Leuck" wrote in message
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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No, you like most people are unwilling to see things as they are and how
they could be. This is understandable, because the normal human brain is
not capable of handling such a disconnect - to know than only a small
handful of the six billion have the true freedom to pursue real
opportunities, while the rest are held in servitude by economic or
social restrictions will certainly lead to mental disorders.

You can not handle the truth of how bad things are, so you create clever
intellectual arguments to convince yourself that things are acceptable
and getting better. It is why you refuse to see evil where it clearly
exists. We are doomed to a miserable existence by greed and avarice.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Damn talk about being disconnected....I pity you Tom




What you are seeing here is quintessential Tom Sherman. His contention
that we are doomed to a miserable existence by greed and avarice is the
cornerstone of his beliefs.

You will never again have to wonder why he is miserable. Or wonder how
he can think as he does. He just told you why. And he won't budge an
inch from that belief. No one has had any success in moving him from
that position.

Why should I move from a position when I am right?

I wish I could be a delusional lemming happily marching towards the cliff,
but it is my great misfortune to have gained true understanding of the
dark side of human group behavior.

I could happily ignore the situation and discuss recumbents, but then some
right wing blowhard has to crap on the group, ending the illusion. At that
point, I am willing to fling poo well after the bovines have returned to
their agricultural structure abode.

Again, according to simple empiricism the trend is moving in the opposite
direction from what you claim, and has been for more than a century. People
are better educated, better fed, better entertained, more free, more secure,
and according to IQ tests actually smarter, than they ever have been before.
There is less poverty and misery with each passing year, not more, except in
those places where the left still has its totalitarian demonstration
projects.

None of this is in the least controversial, except the IQ thing (called the
"Flynn Effect") which some people feel may be an artifact of the test. It's
hard to believe the average person is two standard deviations smarter in
2000 than the average person in 1900. But with better nutrition and
prenatal and infant care they could be marginally smarter.

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Howard Dean is a conservative.

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Whatever. One of our local columnist wrote a column on Dean's passionate
nature. To illustrate she said Dean left the Episcopal Church because
they refused to approve a bike path proposal he had put forward. That is
all she said. I would like to know the rest of the story. Like when does
one lose their religion over a bike path? What is the Episcopal Church's
role in approving bike paths in Vermont?

Since you seem to know a lot about Mr. Conservative who hates the
Republican party and every thing it stands for, I'm wondering what you
know about the bike path situation. I'm wondering if he now hates the
Episcopal Church and everything it stands for?

I have to kinda like Dean for not being the usual Dem phony and for his
lack of double speak. Plus his screams don't bother me all that much. It
should be interesting to see how it plays out for him, Hillary, and the
others.


Of course Jonah Goldberg is an evil neocon (Jew), but he has a fairly good
article on "The Rise of the Bike-Path Left." (Class warfare, it's not.)

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldbe...0502161204.asp

We all know, of course, that you're a wuss if you push for bike paths, a
concept that Jonah doesn't quite grasp.

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
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= skip = wrote:


"Mark Leuck" wrote in message
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Nope, broadside by a Chevrolet Sedan near Midland Texas on Nov. 6,
1963.

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No I was talking about the other situation. The park is Fort Marcy
or
something like that. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the
head.

Lemme guess, first name is Vince?



Yeah. Seems to me the first name did start with a V.

skip

I always felt that was a very overblown story



But surely not the part about him being dead.


Who?? Why are you two talking in code?


They're talking about Vince Foster, a Clinton aid who turned up dead in a DC
park from an apparent suicide. The "vast right-wing conspiracy" has been
suspicious for years that it wasn't a suicide, speculating that he knew
where the Whitewater and Travelgate bodies are buried.

Speaking of which, it looks like they may have finally found out what
happened to Jimmy Hoffa. They found his blood in the floor of a house where
a mafiosi in a deathbed confession said he'd killed the guy.

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Freewheeling wrote:


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The reason I stopped listening to the left is that their judgment is so
awful on the War on Terror that I figured it just couldn't be any good
on these other issues. And it's not. They're still retooling the same
old needs-based remedies they've always relied on. And they're still
dead wrong on foreign policy and the misnamed "War on Terror."....

How can a war be fought against an abstract noun? Someone, please explain
that. I see no credibility in those who can not even see the logical
impossibility of this.


That's not the issue. The issue is that terrorism is a mere tactic.
It's a marker for totalitarian movements, however, so the misnomer really
isn't as bad as all that. But basically we're in a century-long war
against totalitarianism, and we no sooner defeat one form than it morphs
into another. The most recent is Salafism/Qutbism. It's the social
cancer and scourge that took over as the primary threat once we finally
ended chattel slavery (against similar objections of a Democrat "peace
movement," by the way).

And gee, I though it was just a way to win election campaigns and
implement creeping fascism domestically.

... If you want a phenomenal success story, just look at Chile....

Throwing people out of helicopters into the ocean? Packing them into
stadiums so they can be more efficiently tortured? Henry Kissinger must
be proud.


Again with the Cold War stuff. I'm talking about Chile today, and
naturally you want to talk about something else. Why wouldn't you?

I like to remind people of atrocities committed with the consent and
support of the right wing politicians and parties they support. Duh!

If it annoys you, then it serves its purpose.

Actually it's a useful way to illustrate how the left can't make a logical
argument. To listen to them you'd think they believe that having done a bad
thing in the past is reason enough not to do a good thing now. But the
bottom line is that the world is a better place for what Reagan did. In
fact, Chile is a better place for it's acceptance of the financial reforms
proposed by the Chicago Boyz. In fact, except for a few neo-Marxist
flirtations with disaster most of the southern cone is going that direction.
More prosperous, more free, more secure. And if that annoys you, who gives
a damn.

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Actually, the unemployed in Scandinavia have better discretionary
incomes [1], housing and health care than the working poor in the
US, not to mention a whole lot more free time to ride bicycles.
Pretty terrible, huh?

[1] Enough to afford a recumbent bicycle, especially since practical
mass transportation make owning a motor vehicle for most people.



It's only pretty terrible for those poor suckers who are working to
provide this life of leisure for the "unemployed". But hey, if
everybody is happy then it's fine with me.

Are you happy for all the people in the US working for $6/hour at
crappy jobs where they are treated as disposable workers?

They can not afford recumbent bicycles, and they are likely working at
two or three jobs, so they have no time to ride.

Yes, it is a great country for those born into the lower classes.

--
Tom Sherman ?Earth


Why they don't go to Scandinavia where they could find happiness,
afford a recumbent bicycle, and have all day to ride it. Seems to me
they would be much off there rather than having to be lower class and
work three jobs at $6 per hour in the USA. In Scandinavia they could
be unemployed and middle class. That's what you would call a great
country.


Americans aren't taking advantage of that opportunity, but Muslims are.
That's the dark cloud looming on Paradise's horizon.



P.S. I think they should also check out the unemployment opportunities
currently available in Germany.


Over 10% now.

But the truth is, no one has this problem worked out. Although
Americans work more, they're less productive per hour. France is moving
back in the other direction, and they're about to eliminate the 35 hour
week, and cut back on benefits, vacation time, etc. The problem is that
we're stuck with laboristic economies. There really is no ideal
solution, short of a genuine "ownership society." So I hope Bush is
sincere about that. But I'm not holding my breath....

Finally, you are making some sense.


The reason I stopped listening to the left is that their judgment is so
awful on the War on Terror that I figured it just couldn't be any good on
these other issues. And it's not. They're still retooling the same old
needs-based remedies they've always relied on. And they're still dead
wrong on foreign policy and the misnamed "War on Terror." Anyone who'd
like to know just how bad their judgment is, and how selective their
memory, read Hanson's "Merchants of Despair:"

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson...0502250748.asp



The answer is cooperation, where people help each other to lead
emotionally fulfilling lives, with basic needs met and some luxuries from
whatever surplus exists. Unfortunately, most people have not reached the
moral maturity to achieve that goal.


Do you know anything about John Nash and Game Theory? How about Public
Choice economics, which is based on a Game Theoretical approach? The
problem is that the sort of "cooperation" you envision can't happen
without the destruction of liberty. Plus (and this is documented in an
enormous amount of literature) the market failures that supposedly
justify these interventions actually exist only rarely. Even in the case
of the railroad cartels, for instance, the cartels didn't become stable
until the government intervened to remedy "inefficient competition." And
it turns out that there's little, if any, evidence of long run economies
of scale, which is the primary market failure that's used to justify
these antics. In most cases we're better off without the interventions.


What all the promoters of capitalism miss or ignore are the destructive
side effects of competition, where there must by necessity be losers in a
world of finite resources. The psychological damage is immense - one only
needs to compare young children raised in decent environments to the
average adults to see that.


So, you admit that the issue is child rearing practices and not
socio-economic? Why then, do you support interventions that perpetuate
and reward bad child-rearing practices?


We are failing as a species, and things are almost guaranteed to get much
worse over then next century. After that, hopefully the survivors will
have learned some important lessons and will build a society that
approaches human potential, or the species will become extinct to make
way for another that at least has the potential to be better.


I think you've misidentified the problem. It's not capitalism, but a
particular form of capitalism that concentrates capital in a few hands.
And no, compared to where we'd be if we adopted Marxism (which would be a
dark night of the spirit indeed) we're not doing too badly. Central
tendancy measures of wealth (not just mean, but median and mode) in the
third world are rising. If you want a phenomenal success story, just
look at Chile. Thanks to privatization of retirement there most retirees,
and especially women, will be able to retire with substancial income.
And the privatization and deregulation of infrastructure has also raised
the general standard of living. We just need to expand capital
ownership, is all. And that requires somewhat differently structured
financial institutions. As those are instituted we can gradually
dispense with the welfare state life rafts.

No, you like most people are unwilling to see things as they are and how
they could be. This is understandable, because the normal human brain is
not capable of handling such a disconnect - to know than only a small
handful of the six billion have the true freedom to pursue real
opportunities, while the rest are held in servitude by economic or social
restrictions will certainly lead to mental disorders.

You can not handle the truth of how bad things are, so you create clever
intellectual arguments to convince yourself that things are acceptable and
getting better. It is why you refuse to see evil where it clearly exists.
We are doomed to a miserable existence by greed and avarice.

I'm a bit confused here. Are you saying that we should all become more
spiritual? More religiously nonmaterialistic? Or are you saying that we've
gotten out of touch with out "true self?" Are you a religious person?