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Op zondag 3 december 2017 17:10:53 UTC+1 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 12/3/2017 11:03 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-02 10:24, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:30:11 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-01 15:02, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-30 16:07, sms wrote: [...] ... So the system is not heavily used. $2.75 gets you 90 minutes of Muni rides (but for now it's about four hours of Muni rides). They have designed the pricing to prevent tourists from using the bicycle share system instead of renting bicycles from bicycle tourist rental places. They didn't think that through because it excludes many people who combine errands or who have no problem cycling 1-2h to get to a meeting and then the same time back. I also like to be able to stop somewhere and enjoy the scenery which I even do on routes I have cycled over 100 times. Without having to watch the time. People who ride 1-2 hours to get to a meeting are not using ride-share bikes, unless they're going to a meeting of smelly, broke people. That sounds like the typical prejudices mauny people have about cycling, "It's only for short errand rides or recreation, you can't do any serious stuff with them". Are you f******* nuts? Imagine if I had to spend four hours of my day commuting back and forth to a meeting. You'd feel great in the evening. Try it some day. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â* ... I do that in real life, but its on a plane to Seattle or San Francisco -- with a trial case, suit, computer, etc. I'm not going to jump on a dopey MTB and ride single-track to Folsom, petting horses along the way.Â* You live in a semi-retirement fantasy world. I am now in semi-retirement but also did so before that. Money is not all in life, health and stress-reduction are more important IMO. Who, by the way, is going to pay for my time riding four hours on a bike to a meeting.Â* Would you?Â* Here is my bill: 4.0Â* Travel to and from client meeting by bicycle.Â* .1 Pet horses. .3Â* Drink beer at brewpub in Folsom.Â* .5 Meet with client to discuss huge bill for riding bike, petting horse and drinking beer. I am not greedy. I charge half my hourly rate for travel time and that is the time traveled by car. If I go by bike I won't charge more and, in fact, usually charge no travel time at all because I get a nice exercise out of it. I am self-employed, and my partnership bills based on time and materials. No way I could work a full day and waste 4 hours riding a distance I could cover in a car in 30 minutes. No client would pay. I am self-employed as well but not encumbered by a partnership or other kind of such structure. Also, my clients do not pay for my bike rides because I usually don't bill at all for those. So they are better of than via car. I will ride through the hills before or after work, and I used to raceÂ* on weeknights.Â* I've worked full 10-hour work days and still ridden 70 miles (20 commuting and 50 racing) back when I raced at PIR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6pruxdPS4g&t=74sÂ* I could still do that if I wanted to put in the time, which I don't. Going round and round and round? I've got an MP3 player with me on both bikes but I'd be bored stiff. I go here instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1USLVraV4mU Ride share bikes are for short commutes, typically around a compact city. San Francisco isn't exactly compact. Neither is the rest of the Bay Area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52mQpoheL8 It is downtown where people use rideshare bikes. They're not riding to Marin. See? They are restricted. I do not like to be restricted in radius when using a bike. Just like I wouldn't be with a rental car. [...] This is one of the reasons why I kept my old MTB. It doesn't have much value so theft risk is secondary. However, it means I'll have to drive to the Bay Area as usual and carry it along. The problem with dockless bicycle sharing is that people lock the bicycle to end the rental period but they can have it in their garage or behind their fence, or dump it in a stream. On Caltrain, people solve the last mile problem by bringing their bicycle onto the train. Each train can hold 72 or 80 bicycles, and even that is not sufficient on some of the trains. I use a folding bicycle to avoid getting bumped. Here we only have buses. I can't use those because my panniers are quite permanently mounted and they don't allow that because bikes are transported on a front rack. Plus it's only two rack slots so the risk of getting bumped off the last bus in the evening is high. Therefore, despite fair prices from Folsom (last town that is at low altitude) back home of $1.50 per ride, $0.75 for seniors, I always ride home. OTOH that is also a good muscle and endurance exercise. I always ride home, too.Â* Otherwise I'd have to sleep at work. How many miles is that and how much higher in altitude do you live? Depends on how I go home.Â* Shortest is only five miles. That's considered a warm-up :-) Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... I live about 400 feet above downtown, so all routes home require some climbing. Longer route home is over the West Hills, which is 1,000 feet of climbing in a few extra miles. Grades may exceed 20%.Â* It's super, super gnarly. With 5ft drop-off and stuff, I assume. When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well.. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... But it helps build my giant quads and massive lungs. When the weather is nice, I'll throw in something longer. My long riding is typically on weekends. Commuting for me is not some "dig me" single track, horse-petting adventure.Â* I've been commuting to work by bike for as long as I've had work -- or school. That's on roads, with cars -- rain, sleet or snow (to a point). I used to do that for more than a decade. Did it, but did not enjoy it. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... I work in an urban area, outside my house and have to be presentable.Â* Nobody stops to tell me "dude, it's raining!" This is not dopey-ville. Looks like you don't understand that there are people who can turn even an errand run into something fun. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... Bikes make up a large part of traffic in PDX, and nobody is impressed with riding in the rain, riding on trail or riding anywhere. It's not a novelty act. Now, on weekends, that's a different matter.Â* We're super gnarly here in PDX! I do 5-10,000 feet of climbing just to get to the super-cool brew pubs, coffee shops and Kombucha parlors. I ride out to the Columbia Gorge http://media4.trover.com/T/551b00661...w_large_4x.jpg Or into the mountains. Nice but I would not enjoy that road if there were a lot of crazy motorcyclists and sports car driver on it. And on weekends there usually are. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fd/89/64/f...1a09f357f2.jpg Today . . . into rain! Woohoo . . "dude, it's raining." Try a MTB instead. More fun. Lou Holtman is probably wondering: What is your problem with Jay's preference where to live or to ride bike? ;-) -- - Frank Krygowski Not at all but I do understand why Joerg prefers to ride off road instead of on a busy 4 lane road. BTW 80% of what Joerg write doesn't make sense to me, but hey it is his life. Lou |
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On 12/3/2017 1:48 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-02 10:24, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:30:11 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-01 15:02, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-30 16:07, sms wrote: snip Depends on how I go home. Shortest is only five miles. That's considered a warm-up :-) I prefer to live near work. The furthest I've commuted on a daily basis is 24 miles RT -- which was easy because it was dead flat, and then all my elevation was on the weekends. In my area you can live near work, then work moves, either you change companies or the company you work for moves to another city. You generally don't sell your house and move when the location where you work changes. It's probably different in your profession where even if a law office moves, it's probably not too far from downtown. Nearly all the companies I worked for moved at least once, sometimes a significant distance. The old tilt-up buildings in Silicon Valley are slowly being razed and class A office space is being built. There is a huge surplus of class A office space now, and more is being built. Some remains empty for many years. There is also way to much lower-end office space. My wife is now in her fourth building for her current job. Two of the building were torn down, the most recent one within hours of her company leaving. |
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sms writes:
On 12/3/2017 1:48 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-02 10:24, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:30:11 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-01 15:02, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-30 16:07, sms wrote: snip Depends on how I go home. Shortest is only five miles. That's considered a warm-up :-) I prefer to live near work. The furthest I've commuted on a daily basis is 24 miles RT -- which was easy because it was dead flat, and then all my elevation was on the weekends. In my area you can live near work, then work moves, either you change companies or the company you work for moves to another city. You generally don't sell your house and move when the location where you work changes. It's probably different in your profession where even if a law office moves, it's probably not too far from downtown. That is my experience as well. The most recent company move halved my commute to a very pleasant six miles, but there is no reason to believe that situation will last. -- |
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On 2017-12-03 13:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-02 10:24, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:30:11 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-01 15:02, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-30 16:07, sms wrote: snip Depends on how I go home. Shortest is only five miles. That's considered a warm-up :-) I prefer to live near work. The furthest I've commuted on a daily basis is 24 miles RT -- which was easy because it was dead flat, and then all my elevation was on the weekends. Longer mileage to or from work is optional, so if I want to throw in a few thousand feet of climbing after work, I can do that with a couple West Hills climbs on the way home -- or I can go straight home. I can even do a ride on forest road or single track. http://www.oregonhikers.org/forum/do...3448&mode=view That would be a nice commute route. ... I live about 400 feet above downtown, so all routes home require some climbing. Longer route home is over the West Hills, which is 1,000 feet of climbing in a few extra miles. Grades may exceed 20%. It's super, super gnarly. With 5ft drop-off and stuff, I assume. When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. I'm sure it was super gnarly. That section sure is. Had sent many people to the hospital. ... But it helps build my giant quads and massive lungs. When the weather is nice, I'll throw in something longer. My long riding is typically on weekends. Commuting for me is not some "dig me" single track, horse-petting adventure. I've been commuting to work by bike for as long as I've had work -- or school. That's on roads, with cars -- rain, sleet or snow (to a point). I used to do that for more than a decade. Did it, but did not enjoy it. I enjoy it and have been doing it for five decades, if you count commuting to school. ... I work in an urban area, outside my house and have to be presentable. Nobody stops to tell me "dude, it's raining!" This is not dopey-ville. Looks like you don't understand that there are people who can turn even an errand run into something fun. Riding four hours to a meeting is not an errand. To some people it is. Got one of those coming up this week, it just has to be planned around other work. ... You story of running through puddles is cute -- and optional. Try it for six months and not as a frolic. Doing it for over three years now, and did it when I was young. ... Bikes make up a large part of traffic in PDX, and nobody is impressed with riding in the rain, riding on trail or riding anywhere. It's not a novelty act. Now, on weekends, that's a different matter. We're super gnarly here in PDX! I do 5-10,000 feet of climbing just to get to the super-cool brew pubs, coffee shops and Kombucha parlors. I ride out to the Columbia Gorge http://media4.trover.com/T/551b00661...w_large_4x.jpg Or into the mountains. Nice but I would not enjoy that road if there were a lot of crazy motorcyclists and sports car driver on it. And on weekends there usually are. I'm quite certain there are no roads that would be acceptable to you, which is too bad, because there are a lot of stunning roads around here. Side roads and farm roads are perfectly acceptable. Though boring but I've got music on the bikes. Now that the weather gets colder the battery in my MP3 player let me down a few times lately. Try a MTB instead. More fun. A MTB is more fun for trails. I haven't had a MTB for years, but I'll probably get one, although I don't like lumbering around on roads on a MTB to get to trails. We have some world-class trails fairly close in. My next-door neighbor and best biking buddy is at Sandy Ridge today. https://vimeo.com/69654301 That is real cycling! -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-12-03 17:59, Radey Shouman wrote:
sms writes: On 12/3/2017 1:48 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-02 10:24, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:30:11 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-01 15:02, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-30 16:07, sms wrote: snip Depends on how I go home. Shortest is only five miles. That's considered a warm-up :-) I prefer to live near work. The furthest I've commuted on a daily basis is 24 miles RT -- which was easy because it was dead flat, and then all my elevation was on the weekends. In my area you can live near work, then work moves, either you change companies or the company you work for moves to another city. You generally don't sell your house and move when the location where you work changes. It's probably different in your profession where even if a law office moves, it's probably not too far from downtown. That is my experience as well. The most recent company move halved my commute to a very pleasant six miles, but there is no reason to believe that situation will last. My commute is around 10 seconds, on foot. That situation will not likely change 8-) The rest of the commute if needed happens at 125,000 miles/second (cyberspace). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 12/4/2017 1:42 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 13:48, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. I'm sure it was super gnarly. That section sure is. Had sent many people to the hospital. Hmm. You're too timid to ride much on the roads, so you ride trails that have sent many people to the hospital? I'm not seeing much consistency there. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2017-12-04 12:19, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 1:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-03 13:48, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. I'm sure it was super gnarly. That section sure is. Had sent many people to the hospital. Hmm. You're too timid to ride much on the roads, so you ride trails that have sent many people to the hospital? I'm not seeing much consistency there. On trails my safety is under _my_ control. On busy roads my safety is under the control of drivers in various states of distraction, inebriation and more recently "stonedness". Now that was simple, wasn't it? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 12/4/2017 3:33 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:19, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/4/2017 1:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-03 13:48, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. I'm sure it was super gnarly. That section sure is. Had sent many people to the hospital. Hmm. You're too timid to ride much on the roads, so you ride trails that have sent many people to the hospital? I'm not seeing much consistency there. On trails my safety is under _my_ control. On busy roads my safety is under the control of drivers in various states of distraction, inebriation and more recently "stonedness". Now that was simple, wasn't it? Again, I'd say it was simplistic rather than simple. "Lack of control" is how psychologists explain that many people are afraid of flying in commercial airliners. So those people drive because they are "in control" and experience death rates that are far, far higher. How about the many people who the trail sent to the hospital? Was their safety not under their control? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2017-12-04 12:43, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 3:33 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-04 12:19, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/4/2017 1:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-03 13:48, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. I'm sure it was super gnarly. That section sure is. Had sent many people to the hospital. Hmm. You're too timid to ride much on the roads, so you ride trails that have sent many people to the hospital? I'm not seeing much consistency there. On trails my safety is under _my_ control. On busy roads my safety is under the control of drivers in various states of distraction, inebriation and more recently "stonedness". Now that was simple, wasn't it? Again, I'd say it was simplistic rather than simple. "Lack of control" is how psychologists explain that many people are afraid of flying in commercial airliners. So those people drive because they are "in control" and experience death rates that are far, far higher. Apples and oranges. I was comparing _other_ car drivers to _me_ on bike facilities. It is a fact that the number of critical situations I experienced in traffic versus on bike paths has been way higher and it is obvious why. One guy nearly ran me over with a pickup truck a month ago. "Awfully sorry, man, didn't see you" while I was smack dab in front of the cab. Luckily he had the window down and I used a drill sergeant's holler that made him lock up his brakes. So now I am wondering if I also need very bright side lights. How about the many people who the trail sent to the hospital? Was their safety not under their control? Sure it was but they didn't keep control. I saw one of them ride off and it become rather clear to me that it'll happen again. Another example was a steep rocky downhill that I walk. Guy came flying by on a DH bike, looked hairy but he didn't crash. His wife followed seconds later ... whambam ... she crashed. I have crashed on MTBs but then that was my own doing or equipment malfunction (tire blow-out) and nothing serious. On normal routes I ride cautiously and arrive safely. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:33:20 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-12-04 12:19, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/4/2017 1:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-03 13:48, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: When I went to Placerville last week two dirt bikers came from there. Illegal on the trail but, oh well. When I got to the 3rd drop-off I saw tire tracks and slide marks. One of them must have slightly misjudged it or had too much speed and gotten to within a foot or so from sliding off a rock face. I'm sure it was super gnarly. That section sure is. Had sent many people to the hospital. Hmm. You're too timid to ride much on the roads, so you ride trails that have sent many people to the hospital? I'm not seeing much consistency there. On trails my safety is under _my_ control. On busy roads my safety is under the control of drivers in various states of distraction, inebriation and more recently "stonedness". Now that was simple, wasn't it? If safety on trails under the control of the rider and you brag that you ride on one trail that has sent many people to the hospital then what are you saying here? That you ride on a trail where many people can't control themselves? That many MTB riders can't or won't control themselves? And what about the charging mountain lions and the horses and cattle, not to mention the poison ivy and poison oak. Damn! You are making the public highways look better and better. -- Cheers, John B. |
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