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On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 10:25:36 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:18:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 13:07, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/7/2017 12:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 09:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: [...] One time I found out the day before the ride that the restaurant I'd picked out had to close due to an emergency. (a gas leak - lucky it didn't explode!) So I had to quickly throw together a different ride.. It required about a mile on a downhill stretch of a new four lane road. Traffic wasn't bad at all ... The last five words are the key. Of course most riders do not mind roads when traffic is light. However, they do hesitate when it looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/yX2ts3QeNeF2 Nearly every cyclist I know in town, and it's quite a few, refuses to ride through there. The common response it "That is crazy!". I don't doubt that most cyclists refuse to ride there. Most cyclists in America lack the knowledge and confidence to ride with real competence on anything but a nearly empty road. Or they know or met one cyclist (in my case several) who got seriously hit out there. The worst one needed years to get back into the saddle because of injuries. She ended up under a full-size pickup truck. My wife knew a woman that was killed stepping off the bus. She stepped off and was hit by a motorcycle, fell and hit her head on the curb. Busses are dangerious! One of my gunners when I was at Enewetak Atoll had to jump out of three airplanes. Proving that Aircraft are unsafe. My grandmother knew a fellow that was killed when a horse ran away. Horses are unsafe. I bought a new pair of shoes and got a blister. The blister became infected and I had to have part of my little toe amputated. Shoes are dangerious. Both my grandfathers died in bed thus proving that beds are dangerious. Is all that ridiculous? Certainly it is. Just as are your posts about the dangerious roads that you are forced to ride over. I would remind you that Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder results not only from a single traumatic experience but also from continued exposure to what an individual views as danger. If you continue riding on those roads that you just know are so dangerious you may find yourself experiencing one or another of the following symptoms: Flashbacks, Upsetting dreams, even physical reactions to a flash back. Joerg is so hysterical about the dangers of road riding that you want to discard everything he says, particularly when he posts a picture of a road that looks like my morning commute. But with that said, there are some really dangerous places to ride -- which I accommodate by either avoiding or exercising extreme care. Extreme care may or may not mean riding lane center. Building an entire network of separate facilities isn't feasible for most established cities or acceptable to tax-payers. The Central Valley always had an abundance of dirt, and entire towns have been built practically overnight. It's easy to put in facilities -- and you can pay for them with development charges. If that's what the locals want, go for it. I'm not waiting around for special bike facilities and will continue to ride on the road, as I am allowed to do under the Oregon UVC. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 12/8/2017 12:25 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:18:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 13:07, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/7/2017 12:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 09:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: [...] One time I found out the day before the ride that the restaurant I'd picked out had to close due to an emergency. (a gas leak - lucky it didn't explode!) So I had to quickly throw together a different ride. It required about a mile on a downhill stretch of a new four lane road. Traffic wasn't bad at all ... The last five words are the key. Of course most riders do not mind roads when traffic is light. However, they do hesitate when it looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/yX2ts3QeNeF2 Nearly every cyclist I know in town, and it's quite a few, refuses to ride through there. The common response it "That is crazy!". I don't doubt that most cyclists refuse to ride there. Most cyclists in America lack the knowledge and confidence to ride with real competence on anything but a nearly empty road. Or they know or met one cyclist (in my case several) who got seriously hit out there. The worst one needed years to get back into the saddle because of injuries. She ended up under a full-size pickup truck. My wife knew a woman that was killed stepping off the bus. She stepped off and was hit by a motorcycle, fell and hit her head on the curb. Busses are dangerious! One of my gunners when I was at Enewetak Atoll had to jump out of three airplanes. Proving that Aircraft are unsafe. My grandmother knew a fellow that was killed when a horse ran away. Horses are unsafe. I bought a new pair of shoes and got a blister. The blister became infected and I had to have part of my little toe amputated. Shoes are dangerious. Both my grandfathers died in bed thus proving that beds are dangerious. Is all that ridiculous? Certainly it is. Just as are your posts about the dangerious roads that you are forced to ride over. I would remind you that Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder results not only from a single traumatic experience but also from continued exposure to what an individual views as danger. If you continue riding on those roads that you just know are so dangerious you may find yourself experiencing one or another of the following symptoms: Flashbacks, Upsetting dreams, even physical reactions to a flash back. -- Cheers, John B. Although not a cyclist himself, my friend's grandfather met his demise by bicycle: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/jfkgrfth.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 08/12/2017 10:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/8/2017 12:25 AM, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:18:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 13:07, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/7/2017 12:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 09:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: [...] One time I found out the day before the ride that the restaurant I'd picked out had to close due to an emergency. (a gas leak - lucky it didn't explode!) So I had to quickly throw together a different ride. It required about a mile on a downhill stretch of a new four lane road. Traffic wasn't bad at all ... The last five words are the key. Of course most riders do not mind roads when traffic is light. However, they do hesitate when it looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/yX2ts3QeNeF2 Nearly every cyclist I know in town, and it's quite a few, refuses to ride through there. The common response it "That is crazy!". I don't doubt that most cyclists refuse to ride there. Most cyclists in America lack the knowledge and confidence to ride with real competence on anything but a nearly empty road. Or they know or met one cyclist (in my case several) who got seriously hit out there. The worst one needed years to get back into the saddle because of injuries. She ended up under a full-size pickup truck. My wife knew a woman that was killed stepping off the bus. She stepped off and was hit by a motorcycle, fell and hit her head on the curb. Busses are dangerious! One of my gunners when I was at Enewetak Atoll had to jump out of three airplanes. Proving that Aircraft are unsafe. My grandmother knew a fellow that was killed when a horse ran away. Horses are unsafe. I bought a new pair of shoes and got a blister. The blister became infected and I had to have part of my little toe amputated. Shoes are dangerious. Both my grandfathers died in bed thus proving that beds are dangerious. Is all that ridiculous? Certainly it is. Just as are your posts about the dangerious roads that you are forced to ride over. I would remind you that Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder results not only from a single traumatic experience but also from continued exposure to what an individual views as danger. If you continue riding on those roads that you just know are so dangerious you may find yourself experiencing one or another of the following symptoms: Flashbacks, Upsetting dreams, even physical reactions to a flash back. -- Cheers, John B. Although not a cyclist himself, my friend's grandfather met his demise by bicycle: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/jfkgrfth.jpg Some people make music out of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE |
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On 12/8/2017 1:19 PM, Duane wrote:
Some people make music out of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE I always had difficulty considering Zappa's stuff to be music. He once said "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." But I always thought he was far more interested in deviation than in progress. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 12/8/2017 1:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/8/2017 1:19 PM, Duane wrote: Some people make music out of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE I always had difficulty considering Zappa's stuff to be music. He once said "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." But I always thought he was far more interested in deviation than in progress. Don't eat that yellow snow. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 12/8/2017 1:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/8/2017 1:19 PM, Duane wrote: Some people make music out of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE I always had difficulty considering Zappa's stuff to be music. He once said "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." But I always thought he was far more interested in deviation than in progress. Everyone sees art from a different view point. Don't eat that yellow snow. Last time I saw Zappa he did two sets with George Duke that was some of the most complex jazz I’ve seen. For an encore he played slide on a very good version of Whipping Post that rivalled Duane Allman. Talk about contra pointe. -- duane |
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On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 14:53:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 12/8/2017 1:19 PM, Duane wrote: Some people make music out of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE I always had difficulty considering Zappa's stuff to be music. He once said "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." But I always thought he was far more interested in deviation than in progress. And if he had played a harmonica he probably wouldn't have gotten on the Steve Allen Show :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 09:40:00 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/8/2017 12:25 AM, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:18:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 13:07, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/7/2017 12:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 09:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: [...] One time I found out the day before the ride that the restaurant I'd picked out had to close due to an emergency. (a gas leak - lucky it didn't explode!) So I had to quickly throw together a different ride. It required about a mile on a downhill stretch of a new four lane road. Traffic wasn't bad at all ... The last five words are the key. Of course most riders do not mind roads when traffic is light. However, they do hesitate when it looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/yX2ts3QeNeF2 Nearly every cyclist I know in town, and it's quite a few, refuses to ride through there. The common response it "That is crazy!". I don't doubt that most cyclists refuse to ride there. Most cyclists in America lack the knowledge and confidence to ride with real competence on anything but a nearly empty road. Or they know or met one cyclist (in my case several) who got seriously hit out there. The worst one needed years to get back into the saddle because of injuries. She ended up under a full-size pickup truck. My wife knew a woman that was killed stepping off the bus. She stepped off and was hit by a motorcycle, fell and hit her head on the curb. Busses are dangerious! One of my gunners when I was at Enewetak Atoll had to jump out of three airplanes. Proving that Aircraft are unsafe. My grandmother knew a fellow that was killed when a horse ran away. Horses are unsafe. I bought a new pair of shoes and got a blister. The blister became infected and I had to have part of my little toe amputated. Shoes are dangerious. Both my grandfathers died in bed thus proving that beds are dangerious. Is all that ridiculous? Certainly it is. Just as are your posts about the dangerious roads that you are forced to ride over. I would remind you that Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder results not only from a single traumatic experience but also from continued exposure to what an individual views as danger. If you continue riding on those roads that you just know are so dangerious you may find yourself experiencing one or another of the following symptoms: Flashbacks, Upsetting dreams, even physical reactions to a flash back. -- Cheers, John B. Although not a cyclist himself, my friend's grandfather met his demise by bicycle: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/jfkgrfth.jpg Proof positive that the devilish machines are dangerious and should be banned from the nation's highways and byways. Forbes has it that not a single person has been killed in a crash on a United States certificated scheduled airline operating anywhere in the world in the past seven years, while bicycles have killed nearly 5,000 people during the same period in the U.S. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 12/8/2017 7:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 09:40:00 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/8/2017 12:25 AM, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:18:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 13:07, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/7/2017 12:42 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-12-07 09:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: [...] One time I found out the day before the ride that the restaurant I'd picked out had to close due to an emergency. (a gas leak - lucky it didn't explode!) So I had to quickly throw together a different ride. It required about a mile on a downhill stretch of a new four lane road. Traffic wasn't bad at all ... The last five words are the key. Of course most riders do not mind roads when traffic is light. However, they do hesitate when it looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/yX2ts3QeNeF2 Nearly every cyclist I know in town, and it's quite a few, refuses to ride through there. The common response it "That is crazy!". I don't doubt that most cyclists refuse to ride there. Most cyclists in America lack the knowledge and confidence to ride with real competence on anything but a nearly empty road. Or they know or met one cyclist (in my case several) who got seriously hit out there. The worst one needed years to get back into the saddle because of injuries. She ended up under a full-size pickup truck. My wife knew a woman that was killed stepping off the bus. She stepped off and was hit by a motorcycle, fell and hit her head on the curb. Busses are dangerious! One of my gunners when I was at Enewetak Atoll had to jump out of three airplanes. Proving that Aircraft are unsafe. My grandmother knew a fellow that was killed when a horse ran away. Horses are unsafe. I bought a new pair of shoes and got a blister. The blister became infected and I had to have part of my little toe amputated. Shoes are dangerious. Both my grandfathers died in bed thus proving that beds are dangerious. Is all that ridiculous? Certainly it is. Just as are your posts about the dangerious roads that you are forced to ride over. I would remind you that Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder results not only from a single traumatic experience but also from continued exposure to what an individual views as danger. If you continue riding on those roads that you just know are so dangerious you may find yourself experiencing one or another of the following symptoms: Flashbacks, Upsetting dreams, even physical reactions to a flash back. -- Cheers, John B. Although not a cyclist himself, my friend's grandfather met his demise by bicycle: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/jfkgrfth.jpg Proof positive that the devilish machines are dangerious and should be banned from the nation's highways and byways. Forbes has it that not a single person has been killed in a crash on a United States certificated scheduled airline operating anywhere in the world in the past seven years, while bicycles have killed nearly 5,000 people during the same period in the U.S. Not having been killed yet, I consider every minute on my bicycle blissful. Some minutes more than others but you get the idea. Flying commercial makes mere death look like a good alternate. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 12/8/2017 7:45 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 14:53:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/8/2017 1:19 PM, Duane wrote: Some people make music out of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9P2V0_p6vE I always had difficulty considering Zappa's stuff to be music. He once said "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." But I always thought he was far more interested in deviation than in progress. And if he had played a harmonica he probably wouldn't have gotten on the Steve Allen Show :-) But there's Milton Berle! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2WFw9oSBlI -- - Frank Krygowski |
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