A victory for Alex but Met Police are off-target

=====Quote=====
CTC is delighted by the news that the Crown has dropped its
prosecution of Alex Paxton, a cyclist fined for stopping just beyond a
cycle box for his own safety. Alex?s case was supported by donors to
the Cyclists? Defence Fund (CDF), which is now formally linked to CTC.
CDF welcomes donations to help other cyclists fighting injustice like
Alex. Meanwhile, CTC condemned reports that Metropolitan Police
officers were set targets to fine cyclists but a letter to us from the
Head of Traffic Policing has said this was not the case. This week,
however, around 2,500 officers were deployed at junctions in the
capital to hand out fines to offending drivers and cyclists alike. But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.
=====/Quote=====
Source - Cyclists' Touring Club

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:54:56 +0000
Bertie Wooster wrote:

But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.

Oh dear. I wonder if that was just a display of individual ignorance,
or if they'd been told to do it.

Rob Morley writes:

But they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to
wear helmets and hi-viz.

Oh dear. I wonder if that was just a display of individual ignorance,
or if they'd been told to do it.

You can usually rely on the individual ignorance of the ones who
volunteer for this sort of task without having to tell them to do it.
There were almost certainly briefings telling them where to stand,
though. They could hardly have been better positioned to miss lots of
lawbreaking: URL:http://www.youtube.co.uk/watch?v=K51FRxJBb14.

--
Mark

On 29/11/2013 17:54, Bertie Wooster wrote:
=====Quote=====
CTC is delighted by the news that the Crown has dropped its
prosecution of Alex Paxton, a cyclist fined for stopping just beyond a
cycle box for his own safety. Alex?s case was supported by donors to
the Cyclists? Defence Fund (CDF), which is now formally linked to CTC.
CDF welcomes donations to help other cyclists fighting injustice like
Alex. Meanwhile, CTC condemned reports that Metropolitan Police
officers were set targets to fine cyclists but a letter to us from the
Head of Traffic Policing has said this was not the case. This week,
however, around 2,500 officers were deployed at junctions in the
capital to hand out fines to offending drivers and cyclists alike. But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.
=====/Quote=====
Source - Cyclists' Touring Club

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.

As long as we know.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:02:52 +0000, JNugent
wrote:

On 29/11/2013 17:54, Bertie Wooster wrote:
=====Quote=====
CTC is delighted by the news that the Crown has dropped its
prosecution of Alex Paxton, a cyclist fined for stopping just beyond a
cycle box for his own safety. Alex?s case was supported by donors to
the Cyclists? Defence Fund (CDF), which is now formally linked to CTC.
CDF welcomes donations to help other cyclists fighting injustice like
Alex. Meanwhile, CTC condemned reports that Metropolitan Police
officers were set targets to fine cyclists but a letter to us from the
Head of Traffic Policing has said this was not the case. This week,
however, around 2,500 officers were deployed at junctions in the
capital to hand out fines to offending drivers and cyclists alike. But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.
=====/Quote=====
Source - Cyclists' Touring Club

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.

As long as we know.

I'm trying to find out where you pulled the "unjust" quote from.

On 29/11/2013 20:03, Bertie Wooster wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 29/11/2013 17:54, Bertie Wooster wrote:
=====Quote=====
CTC is delighted by the news that the Crown has dropped its
prosecution of Alex Paxton, a cyclist fined for stopping just beyond a
cycle box for his own safety. Alex?s case was supported by donors to
the Cyclists? Defence Fund (CDF), which is now formally linked to CTC.
CDF welcomes donations to help other cyclists fighting injustice like
Alex. Meanwhile, CTC condemned reports that Metropolitan Police
officers were set targets to fine cyclists but a letter to us from the
Head of Traffic Policing has said this was not the case. This week,
however, around 2,500 officers were deployed at junctions in the
capital to hand out fines to offending drivers and cyclists alike. But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.
=====/Quote=====
Source - Cyclists' Touring Club

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.
As long as we know.

I'm trying to find out where you pulled the "unjust" quote from.

"quote"?

PS: If the CTC *don't* regard it as unjust to enforce traffic law, what
on Earth are they whinging about?

PPS: Did you miss the word "injustice" used by the CTC to describe
enforcement of the law on red traffic lights?

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:09:13 +0000, JNugent
wrote:

On 29/11/2013 20:03, Bertie Wooster wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 29/11/2013 17:54, Bertie Wooster wrote:
=====Quote=====
CTC is delighted by the news that the Crown has dropped its
prosecution of Alex Paxton, a cyclist fined for stopping just beyond a
cycle box for his own safety. Alex?s case was supported by donors to
the Cyclists? Defence Fund (CDF), which is now formally linked to CTC.
CDF welcomes donations to help other cyclists fighting injustice like
Alex. Meanwhile, CTC condemned reports that Metropolitan Police
officers were set targets to fine cyclists but a letter to us from the
Head of Traffic Policing has said this was not the case. This week,
however, around 2,500 officers were deployed at junctions in the
capital to hand out fines to offending drivers and cyclists alike. But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.
=====/Quote=====
Source - Cyclists' Touring Club

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.
As long as we know.

I'm trying to find out where you pulled the "unjust" quote from.

"quote"?

PS: If the CTC *don't* regard it as unjust to enforce traffic law, what
on Earth are they whinging about?

PPS: Did you miss the word "injustice" used by the CTC to describe
enforcement of the law on red traffic lights?

So you misspelled "injustice"?

On 29/11/2013 20:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:09:13 +0000, JNugent
wrote:

On 29/11/2013 20:03, Bertie Wooster wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 29/11/2013 17:54, Bertie Wooster wrote:
=====Quote=====
CTC is delighted by the news that the Crown has dropped its
prosecution of Alex Paxton, a cyclist fined for stopping just beyond a
cycle box for his own safety. Alex?s case was supported by donors to
the Cyclists? Defence Fund (CDF), which is now formally linked to CTC.
CDF welcomes donations to help other cyclists fighting injustice like
Alex. Meanwhile, CTC condemned reports that Metropolitan Police
officers were set targets to fine cyclists but a letter to us from the
Head of Traffic Policing has said this was not the case. This week,
however, around 2,500 officers were deployed at junctions in the
capital to hand out fines to offending drivers and cyclists alike. But
they also stopped cyclists behaving legally, advising some to wear
helmets and hi-viz.
=====/Quote=====
Source - Cyclists' Touring Club

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.
As long as we know.

I'm trying to find out where you pulled the "unjust" quote from.

"quote"?

PS: If the CTC *don't* regard it as unjust to enforce traffic law, what
on Earth are they whinging about?

PPS: Did you miss the word "injustice" used by the CTC to describe
enforcement of the law on red traffic lights?

So you misspelled "injustice"?

So you misunderstood (your own use of) "unjust"?

On Friday, 29 November 2013 19:02:52 UTC, JNugent wrote:

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.

As long as we know.

It was a consequential action following the motorist's occupation of the cycle box. Why plod didn't have a word with the motorist is the mystery here.

On 03/12/2013 11:28, wrote:
On Friday, 29 November 2013 19:02:52 UTC, JNugent wrote:

So the CTC regards it as "unjust" to make road-users to obey the law.

As long as we know.

It was a consequential action following the motorist's occupation of the cycle box. Why plod didn't have a word with the motorist is the mystery here.

Cyclists are not allowed to cross stop lines when red lights show. The
cyclist could have chosen to stop anywhere before the stop line, such as
next to the car, yet chose not to, and received a ticket quite correctly.
Whether the motorist was at fault in any way is unlnown, but since the
whole incident was witnessed by a Policeman, it seems likely that the
car was stopped in the box quite legally.