Small Time Terrorists destroy Parisian Utopian Bike Program

On Nov 4, 6:39*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,

*dgk wrote:
I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.

Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak,
usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. *Not
infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.

Like the "American Revolution"? How about the Eastern Europe ones.
They worked... to a degree. Not the real thing, of course.

One thing I'd like to witness though is the oppresion of the drivers
by the cyclists!


Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.

Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing
for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).

The problem is SOMEONE (ie. the Medical Industry) won't give up their
lion's share. What can we about it, put him on a diet?


Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. *
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. *Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. *The public
welfare, not so much. *And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis. *We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

I think the whole thing started with Globalization, ie. if you got
money who cares anymore about quality of life! Just move to a Gated
Community.


Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

Ummm. *"Going to?" *Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.

Well, this is supposed to be our great last hope. After this...
WHAT!!!????

Bill Baka writes:

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dgk wrote:
[...]
Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
(Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland.
He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have
stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your
facts together or go away.

We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was
in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to
attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and
most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get
rid of him once the war was won.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis.
Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington
Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial
classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to
all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were
in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid
kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in
1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2
years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and
graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't
anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school
system (in 1963).

It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just
in opportunities, but in outcomes.

I'm not just equal. My IQ is well over 140 and I was bored to death in
school. College too. I once got into it with my electronics instructor
for teaching way too slow.

Is it true you once beat Kasparov at chess?

For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored with
the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?

--

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

Paul O wrote:
For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored
with the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?

"The horror of that moment I shall never forget", said the king.

"You will", replied the queen, "if you don't make a memorandum of it".

Bill "paraphrasing 'Alice Through The Looking Glass" S.

Bill Sornson wrote, On 11/5/2009 11:57 AM:
Paul O wrote:

For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored
with the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?


"The horror of that moment I shall never forget", said the king.

"You will", replied the queen, "if you don't make a memorandum of it".

Bill "paraphrasing 'Alice Through The Looking Glass" S.



Babble Bill and Ed
Comandante chirps his tale
Winter is coming

--

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

"Paul O" wrote in message
...
For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored with
the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?

It is not correct to cast Ed Dolan the Great in the same loony bin as Bill
Baka and Comandante Banana. The latter two are diamonds in the rough whereas
Ed Dolan the Great is a polished diamond of eternal magnificence. When I
contemplate Myself I tremble at my own perfection. How is it posssble that
such Greatness and Perfection can perish from this earth? Yea, that is what
I am constantly asking Myself!

"Once I wasn't, then I was, now I ain't again."

- Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

In article ,
Paul O wrote:

Bill Sornson wrote, On 11/5/2009 11:57 AM:
Paul O wrote:

For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been
honored with the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a
thread started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?


"The horror of that moment I shall never forget", said the king.

"You will", replied the queen, "if you don't make a memorandum of
it".

Bill "paraphrasing 'Alice Through The Looking Glass" S.



Babble Bill and Ed
Comandante chirps his tale
Winter is coming

Talkin' 'bout
Hey now
Hey now
Haiku haiku an nay
Jockomo feena ah na nay
Jockomo feena nay

(with apologies to Sugar Boy Crawford)

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:33:36 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:


"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
Islamic extremism.

You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect
for you on this Republican rant.

We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is
what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.

Enough bull****, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK
until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn
Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really
hated, party not withstanding.

JFK, just like Obama, was too young and inexperienced to be president. He
essentially bungled our relations with the Soviet Union and handled the
Cuban invasion like an idiot. He should have supported the exiles with air
power which would have made all the difference. He also got us into Vietnam
with no idea of how to win the war. People in their 40s, at least in this
country, are still babies. You have to be at least in your 50s in order to
have any sense. In fact, I like our presidents to be in their 60s.


Before the Bay of Pigs, Russia was faced with Cuba being continuously
attacked by the US, and our nuclear missles were on their border. So
they moved missles into Cuba. After the resulting hysteria, we
promised to stop sending terrorists into Cuba, and took our missles
off Russia's border. You would have done what differently? Started a
nuclear war? That's a very likely outcome if we had sent planes into
Cuba.

Perhaps Castro was not the best leader for Cuba, but since we were
responsible for Batista, that sort of nullfies our moral capital in
the matter. Just like being responsible for the Shah undermines any
moral objection we may have for Iran's current government.

I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
won overwhelmingly.

dgk writes:

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:33:36 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:


"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
Islamic extremism.

You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect
for you on this Republican rant.

We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is
what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.

Enough bull****, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK
until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn
Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really
hated, party not withstanding.

JFK, just like Obama, was too young and inexperienced to be president. He
essentially bungled our relations with the Soviet Union and handled the
Cuban invasion like an idiot. He should have supported the exiles with air
power which would have made all the difference. He also got us into Vietnam
with no idea of how to win the war. People in their 40s, at least in this
country, are still babies. You have to be at least in your 50s in order to
have any sense. In fact, I like our presidents to be in their 60s.


Before the Bay of Pigs, Russia was faced with Cuba being continuously
attacked by the US, and our nuclear missles were on their border. So
they moved missles into Cuba. After the resulting hysteria, we
promised to stop sending terrorists into Cuba, and took our missles
off Russia's border. You would have done what differently? Started a
nuclear war? That's a very likely outcome if we had sent planes into
Cuba.

Perhaps Castro was not the best leader for Cuba, but since we were
responsible for Batista, that sort of nullfies our moral capital in
the matter. Just like being responsible for the Shah undermines any
moral objection we may have for Iran's current government.

And Saddam Hussein.

And had it not been for Pearl Harbour : and Hitler.


I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
won overwhelmingly.

On Nov 5, 11:55*am, Paul O wrote:
For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored with
the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?

--

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

OK, now that we have the Holy Trinity, who's the enemy here?

It must be the Devil because how the hell anyone doesn't want BIKE
FACILITIES, BETTER ROAD MANNERS, CAMERAS or whatever it takes to fix
once and for all this damned jungle....

Hey, I don't want to sound like preaching.