Whose Fault?

A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

On Jul 16, 2:37*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. *The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected him to
do something stupid?

On Jul 16, 3:04*pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message

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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:

A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.

--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected him to
do something stupid?

Well doing something "stupid" is what he did and so the driver cannot
be blamed for that.
He did his bit by sticking to 30mph, if that is the speed limit on
that street which meant that the cyclist was more likely to survive,
whereas if he was hit at 40mph, he would probably have died.

--
Simon Mason

On 16/07/2011 15:04, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected him to
do something stupid?



So, unless we have to assume that all cyclists are that stupid, I'd say
it was the cyclists fault.

"Bod" wrote in message
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On 16/07/2011 15:04, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected him
to
do something stupid?



So, unless we have to assume that all cyclists are that stupid, I'd say it
was the cyclists fault.

The OP's question stinks. I suspect a trap.

On 16/07/2011 15:18, Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
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On 16/07/2011 15:04, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected him
to
do something stupid?



So, unless we have to assume that all cyclists are that stupid, I'd say it
was the cyclists fault.

The OP's question stinks. I suspect a trap.



Hmm! I still think it's the cyclists fault.

"Bod" wrote in message
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On 16/07/2011 15:18, Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
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On 16/07/2011 15:04, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he
tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected
him
to
do something stupid?



So, unless we have to assume that all cyclists are that stupid, I'd say
it
was the cyclists fault.

The OP's question stinks. I suspect a trap.



Hmm! I still think it's the cyclists fault.

This lot are tricky.
Nobody would post something like this without a cunning plan.

On 16/07/2011 15:46, Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
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On 16/07/2011 15:18, Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
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On 16/07/2011 15:04, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he
tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected
him
to
do something stupid?



So, unless we have to assume that all cyclists are that stupid, I'd say
it
was the cyclists fault.

The OP's question stinks. I suspect a trap.



Hmm! I still think it's the cyclists fault.

This lot are tricky.
Nobody would post something like this without a cunning plan.



It can only be the kamikaze cyclists fault.

On 16/07/2011 15:49, Bod wrote:
On 16/07/2011 15:46, Mr Pounder wrote:
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On 16/07/2011 15:18, Mr Pounder wrote:
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On 16/07/2011 15:04, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:37 pm, Nuxx wrote:
A driver is proceeding along an urban road, within the Magic Speed
Limit, when suddenly, without warning (having been stationary on the
pavement), a cyclist cycles across a pedestrian crossing (against
the
pedestrian light) right in front of the driver. The driver cannot
swerve as there is oncoming traffic and it's a narrow road, so he
tries
an emergency stop, but he still ends up hitting the cyclist
giving him
some nasty injuries.

Whose fault is this collision?

The cyclist of course.
Next.


--
Simon Mason

Errrrrr, I suspect a trick here.
If the driver saw the cyclist on the footpath he should have expected
him
to
do something stupid?



So, unless we have to assume that all cyclists are that stupid, I'd
say
it
was the cyclists fault.

The OP's question stinks. I suspect a trap.



Hmm! I still think it's the cyclists fault.

This lot are tricky.
Nobody would post something like this without a cunning plan.



It can only be the kamikaze cyclists fault.


I've just crossposted this subject to uk legal and uk rec driving, to
see what they think.