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Old February 13th 20, 10:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/
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Old February 13th 20, 10:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 2:35:48 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/
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I have had experience with those SRAM cranks and aside from the cranks being pf extremely poor quality, gearing like that is impossible to use since your speed in low gear would be far too low to be able to remain upright.
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Old February 14th 20, 04:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/


So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski

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Old February 14th 20, 07:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 20:52:06 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/


So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Frank, you are old enough to remember the advent of the 10 speed,
English Racing Bike, way back there in pre-recorded history. Well, as
the article explains history has revived the ten speed... albeit for a
bit more money :-)

( Who says that the add guys aren't doing their job? :-)
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cheers,

John B.

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Old February 14th 20, 10:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:52:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/


So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Why? To get rid of the FD and front shifter and avoiding to shift front and back in critical race situations. Some people think they can benefit from it.

Lou
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Old February 14th 20, 03:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 2:04:34 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:52:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/


So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Why? To get rid of the FD and front shifter and avoiding to shift front and back in critical race situations. Some people think they can benefit from it.


They have been hypnotized by clever marketing -- although 1X has clearly trickled-down too far with some low-end 1X gravel bikes that will see very little gravel riding. They will just be road bikes with big steps between gears and a ridiculously low-low. My gravel bike gets ridden on a lot of road before I get to the gravel, and I like having two rings and a road-ish gear range with a moderately low low-gear.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old February 14th 20, 04:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 4:19:19 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 2:04:34 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:52:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/

So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Why? To get rid of the FD and front shifter and avoiding to shift front and back in critical race situations. Some people think they can benefit from it.


They have been hypnotized by clever marketing -- although 1X has clearly trickled-down too far with some low-end 1X gravel bikes that will see very little gravel riding. They will just be road bikes with big steps between gears and a ridiculously low-low. My gravel bike gets ridden on a lot of road before I get to the gravel, and I like having two rings and a road-ish gear range with a moderately low low-gear.

-- Jay Beattie.


I can image 1X11 for my aeroad. On that bike I'm never in the small chainring (36T) here on the flats and that bike never sees any serious mountains. For a gravel bike 1x11 seems a poor choice in my opinion. My gravel bike will have a normal 50-34T compact road crankset and I declined the suggested 11-34T cassette. I will put a 14-28T (14-15-16-17-18-19-20-21-23-25-28 t) cassette on it. I hate big jumps so this is is a great gearing for me around here. If I plan to go wall climbing I will put a 11-34 cassette on and live with the big jumps and the never used 11-12t sprockets.

Lou
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Old February 14th 20, 04:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/14/2020 5:04 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:52:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/

So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Why? To get rid of the FD and front shifter and avoiding to shift front and back in critical race situations. Some people think they can benefit from it.


Oh. Now I remember! If some people _think_ they can benefit from it,
we're not allowed to discuss what anyone else may think.

IOW, comparison of real benefits and detriments is strongly discouraged
here.


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- Frank Krygowski
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Old February 14th 20, 05:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:50:01 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/14/2020 5:04 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:52:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/

So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Why? To get rid of the FD and front shifter and avoiding to shift front and back in critical race situations. Some people think they can benefit from it.


Oh. Now I remember! If some people _think_ they can benefit from it,
we're not allowed to discuss what anyone else may think.

IOW, comparison of real benefits and detriments is strongly discouraged
here.


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- Frank Krygowski


He don't shoot the messenger. You asked a question I tried to answer politely. If it has no benefit for you don't buy a 1x11/12 set up. For me it has no benefit so I stay with 2x11 set ups. Why do you say 'if some people 'think' they can benefits from it'. Are you saying that they lie if they say so?

Lou
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Old February 14th 20, 05:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 8:50:01 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/14/2020 5:04 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:52:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:35:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We usually advise 'follow manufacturer's directions' but in
this case a clever exception shows some promise:

https://bikerumor.com/2020/02/07/how...ullet-gearing/

So that's instead of just having two chainrings? Um... why?

- Frank Krygowski


Why? To get rid of the FD and front shifter and avoiding to shift front and back in critical race situations. Some people think they can benefit from it.


Oh. Now I remember! If some people _think_ they can benefit from it,
we're not allowed to discuss what anyone else may think.

IOW, comparison of real benefits and detriments is strongly discouraged
here.


The linked article is about a kludge accomplished by someone who actually wanted 1X on his clearly custom bike. 1X has the benefit of being a rock-solid set-up in rough terrain. You should read about it. https://tinyurl.com/v3un986

You constantly bad-mouth basically anything you don't own and with which you have zero experience. Meanwhile, people who have owned doubles, triples, 1X, IGH, etc., etc. make reasoned decisions to run -- or not run -- 1X. They're not crazy. They're not deceived. Guys who are kludging expensive SRAM systems obviously believe in the superiority of 1X, just like you believe in the superiority of triple cranks and cantis -- crap I dumped long ago and never looked back.


-- Jay Beattie.
 




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