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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
--D-y wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:50*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote: On Nov 2, 6:24*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote: On Nov 2, 4:51*pm, DirtRoadie wrote: http://www.velonews.com/article/99800 Oh, and I'd have loved to have seen his smug-ass face when the verdict was read. Brad Anders You know, I want to amend that statement. There's nothing to be satisfied about here. Two cyclists were injured, one with disfiguring injuries, and skilled ER doctor, who probably fixed up a hundred cyclists who crashed during his career, is looking at prison and has had his career put it tatters by this incident. Nobody is coming out ahead here. This isn't a victory, it's a tragedy. Reality check. Just proof that someone can be a doctor AND a sociopath. Docs are a dime a dozen. They're no better than anyone else and quite a number of them are idiots. So, one sociopath has been taken off the road, for however long that lasts. And has multiple well-deserved felony convictions that aren't likely to all (at least) go away on appeal. Society won, big-time. Not just the faggots in lycra but everyone else who has had to share the planet with that piece of ****. Especially his patients. Reality check. Sounds to me like none of the posters in this thread have ever had to deal with a sociopath-- who have, chief among other endearing traits, the drive to totally control other human beings. Their numbers are estimated to be 1 in 24 of the general population. Many times they are given a "pass" because people are ignorant of what they're dealing with, and/or they have "important jobs" that "require being strict and serious". Sound like any doctors you've dealt with? Cops? Lawyers? "After committing a felony around age 15, where most often they escape full legal retribution due to youth, they learn to find situations (very much incl. "jobs") where their work is admired and rewarded". Put the SOB in the hole so he can't **** with anyone while he's in there and see if he doesn't mellow out a little before he's allowed to suck free air again. Stop making excuses-- "he probably fixed up hundreds of cyclists". Jesus Christ! --D-y I'm not sure what he did makes him a sociopath. Since he did it previously on more than one occasion and nothing happened to the cyclists (proving that there was more than enough time for a cyclist with both hands on the handlebar to react), he probably thought that if he braked again that the same outcome would result (i.e. the cyclists having to brake hard and get annoyed). Do you really think the guy said, "I hope one of them goes through the windshield of my $35,000 car and the police end up being called and my insurance rates get jacked up." There is no evidence that from age 0-60, that Dr. Thompson engaged in sociopathic behavior or that he expected this outcome. This incident was really just him being ****ed off at the arrogant jackasses who ride that road. There is no evidence that he went out driving the training roads of southern California looking for innocent cyclists to run over. So save the psycho babble for another time. Just because there's serious injury, doesn't mean the causation was done by a sociopathic agenda. The serious injury had to be both predictable and likely in order for that term to apply, and there is no reason to believe that the doctor thought it would go down like that. In fact, I believe he thought it would go down quite differently (i.e. without serious injury). And most of those cyclists are arrogant jackasses who probably all contributed to the Fraud Fairness Fund and punch each other in races like the punks they are. He's still a dick, but the cyclists are also dicks for ****ing off all the residents on that road with their jackass behavior. I bet you they all think twice before flipping off drivers on that road. Thanks, Magilla |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
On Nov 3, 6:09*am, Susan Walker wrote:
RicodJour wrote: On Nov 2, 9:08 pm, Susan Walker wrote: RicodJour wrote: Brad Anders I'll look you up for that virtual beer next time I'm taking a virtual tour to...where do you live again? Stuttgart. Hmmm...do they have good beer there? I think they might. However, I'm not quite sure PBA the Porsche engineer is our PBA. He's a Porsche owner, does that count? Only ex-Porsche engineer I know who posts here is Jobst. Brad Anders |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
"coterock" wrote in message
... You know, I want to amend that statement. There's nothing to be satisfied about here. Two cyclists were injured, one with disfiguring injuries, and skilled ER doctor, who probably fixed up a hundred cyclists who crashed during his career, is looking at prison and has had his career put it tatters by this incident. Nobody is coming out ahead here. This isn't a victory, it's a tragedy. Very true Brad. Three points; He was a motorist at the time of the incident. His being a Doctor should not matter. While there was no winner in that case, cyclists in general benefitted that justice was served. Read precident. Lastly, I would expect a civil suit to follow. It was his pit-bull lawyer and his smug attitude that convicted him. I'd like to think that it was the evidence that convicted him. |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
On Nov 3, 6:58*am, --D-y wrote:
Stop making excuses-- "he probably fixed up hundreds of cyclists". Jesus Christ! I'm not excusing the doc in any way, just pointing out that as an ER doc he did a tremendous amount of good for his community - and he crapped that all away because of his intolerance for others. I don't agree with labeling him as a sociopath. It's worse. He's just a regular guy, who got ticked off and decided to meter out his own form of justice. He's not some freak, he's everyone's neighbor. I hear from people all the time, people who KNOW I'm a cyclist, tell me how they can't stand having to deal with cyclists and how much they hate them. They're not that different from the doc, they just haven't acted on their desires. When I encounter people who go off about cyclists, I try to be as level-headed as possible when I reply to them and tell them that if they have a problem with cyclists in their area, they need to engage the police to handle it. If they don't like the fact that cyclists are legally entitled to use the road, then it's their right to try and get the laws changed, but it's not their right to impose their will on cyclists. Does it work? I'd be happy if I even got them to think about their attitude.. I suspect everyone here who rides regularly has had their encounters with cars, and personally, I've yelled "FU" at more than one driver. I've never seen it do any good, and it's stupid behavior. Behaving like a belligerant prick isn't going to make our situation any better. As for the doc, I hope his conviction and sentencing is widely communicated to the driving public, and sticks in the minds of those who think cyclists are open season on the roads. Brad Anders |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
On Nov 3, 8:49*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
I'm not sure what he did makes him a sociopath. Since he did it previously on more than one occasion and nothing happened to the cyclists (proving that there was more than enough time for a cyclist with both hands on the handlebar to react), he probably thought that if he braked again that the same outcome would result (i.e. the cyclists having to brake hard and get annoyed). *Do you really think the guy said, "I hope one of them goes through the windshield of my $35,000 car and the police end up being called and my insurance rates get jacked up." I'll give you the point that we don't know enough to "convict" him of being a sociopath. "More than one" of these incidents might prove that he finally went over the edge when the cyclists "didn't get the message" (as you refer to below). There is no evidence that from age 0-60, that Dr. Thompson engaged in sociopathic behavior or that he expected this outcome. This incident was really just him being ****ed off at the arrogant jackasses who ride that road. *There is no evidence that he went out driving the training roads of southern California looking for innocent cyclists to run over. Didn't "run over". Too overt. I'll give you "no evidence" but that door swings both ways. So save the psycho babble for another time. Not babble, Mr. Baboon. Loose quotes from accredited sources and if I find the link, I will supply. Associated with DSM material; you've made me think you've never had to deal with one of the Unclean, either. Well, good for you! *Just because there's serious injury, doesn't mean the causation was done by a sociopathic agenda. *The serious injury had to be both predictable and likely in order for that term to apply Give you the point again, while asking the question: "How many times could the good doc be expected to pull up short (or participate in other reckless behavior) in front of a rider or riders, especially on that road, before something bad happened?" and there is no reason to believe that the doctor thought it would go down like that. *In fact, I believe he thought it would go down quite differently (i.e. without serious injury). *And most of those cyclists are arrogant jackasses who probably all contributed to the Fraud Fairness Fund and punch each other in races like the punks they are. He's still a dick, but the cyclists are also dicks for ****ing off all the residents on that road with their jackass behavior. *I bet you they all think twice before flipping off drivers on that road. Let's see, flipping off compared to having violent threat behavior directed at you (with deadly weapon employed). I share your opprobrium of dickhead cyclists. I really really do. No excuse ("Mommy mommy!! He honked at me!!! baby ****s) for rude behavior and damned little good return can be expected, too. Which means, "then they go for me when I, a polite (most of the time) and considerate rider, am out there minding my own business and just trying to get along". Maybe we'll find out more as this progresses. And yeah, if the cyclists are supposed to "learn something" I hope motorists do, too. Austin just passed (ha ha) a three-foot passing law. I expect more consideration *and* retribution. Such is life in the human cage. --D-y |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
Tom Kunich wrote:
"coterock" wrote in message ... You know, I want to amend that statement. There's nothing to be satisfied about here. Two cyclists were injured, one with disfiguring injuries, and skilled ER doctor, who probably fixed up a hundred cyclists who crashed during his career, is looking at prison and has had his career put it tatters by this incident. Nobody is coming out ahead here. This isn't a victory, it's a tragedy. Very true Brad. Three points; He was a motorist at the time of the incident. His being a Doctor should not matter. While there was no winner in that case, cyclists in general benefitted that justice was served. Read precident. Lastly, I would expect a civil suit to follow. It was his pit-bull lawyer and his smug attitude that convicted him. I'd like to think that it was the evidence that convicted him. If you think jury verdicts mean anything other than what they obviously mean, then you also must think that OJ and Robert Blake are innocent. Dr. Thompson got the same jury pool that decided those two cases. That's a fact. Take care, Magilla |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
MagillaGorilla wrote:
Ariana Huffington would never sleep with you. For someone who beats on Liz Hatch for being "not hot" you've picked a somewhat odd object of perceived affection for me. The problem with the game you play is there are a finite number of issues with sensible contrarian positions and this isn't one of them. It was all fun and games for the doc, until he hurt someone. So I find the idea of an arrogant prick doctor going to bed terrified each night somewhat amusing. Think he thinks it's a lot of fun now? Do you think he would agree with you that it was worth it to teach cyclists a "lesson?" -- Bill Asher |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
William Asher wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: Ariana Huffington would never sleep with you. For someone who beats on Liz Hatch for being "not hot" you've picked a somewhat odd object of perceived affection for me. The problem with the game you play is there are a finite number of issues with sensible contrarian positions and this isn't one of them. It was all fun and games for the doc, until he hurt someone. So I find the idea of an arrogant prick doctor going to bed terrified each night somewhat amusing. Think he thinks it's a lot of fun now? Do you think he would agree with you that it was worth it to teach cyclists a "lesson?" -- Bill Asher Like I told you the day before yesterday, I topped off my brake fluid in my car. That's how I dealt with the whole Dr. Thompson case. As for Ariana, I never said she was hot. Nor did I say I had any affection for her. You simply imagined all of that. You people have an art of putting things into people's mouths that makes a bathroom in a San Francisco gay bar look demure. As I told you people numerous times before, I don't think Dr. Thompson meant to assault the cyclists since he did it at least twice before and nobody crashed. All that happened was it forced them to brake and slow down. That's the "lesson" he was trying to teach them. This incident with Michael Jackson nose and his lamb chops Jason Priestly friend was going to be "lesson" #3. But instead of it going down the way he imagined, he unknowingly did it to riders with Liz Hatch and Michael Rasmussen time trial bike handling skills. Do you actually believe he meant to have one of them go through his back window of his $35,000 car on the way to work? I bet you when that happened the doc was like, "Oh **** - what the ****." If I were a juror, I would have convicted him on the reckless driving, but not assault with a deadly weapon because I had reasonable doubt he was trying to even assault them let alone kill them given that in the two previous incidents, no injuries took place let alone death. I honestly believe the jury got it wrong. All that blood and chicklets in the backseat prejudiced those dumb OJ Simpson pool jurors into thinking that just because an accident happened, he meant it to go down like that. Those are two totally different things. If that happened to me, there would be no case because I know how to use my brakes...not to mention I don't go around harassing drivers who simply want to pass me. Look at you ****in' people...you have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today. That's all you did. You put people in danger. Sweet dreams, son. Col. Magilla |
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Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts
On Nov 2, 9:12*pm, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:30*pm, RicodJour wrote: True enough. *If he had just expressed some remorse I think there would have been some leniency. *As it was his SuperLawyer (sheeesh) was spouting bull**** and blaming someone who was injured. Now we are likely to see some serious backpedaling (pun intended) on the part of the doctor and his counsel. They played the "they flipped me off but I never meant to hurt them" card and it backfired big time. Now it's full speed ahead with damage control to try to minimize the sentence. In light of the judge ordering that he be held without bail until sentencing (a month away), I doubt that there is much that they can do. Even if the jurors had been swayed by the BS put on by the lawyer (they weren't) the judge probably has a far more finely tuned BS meter. I had previously predicted the judge might go easy on the jail time and heavy on community service. Now I'm not so sure. But I think it likely that the doctor will be attempting to throw lots of money at the problem - anything to minimize any time behind bars. I am curious to see whether the doctor now makes any overt statement of remorse and, if he does, whether it is credible (to either us or the judge). His lawyers may advise him to do so simply to gain same leniency from the judge for sentencing. Of course, if he does, he'll look a bit less than sincere. And I'm also curious to see if anything happens immediately with the pending civil suit in which, liability has now been established as a result of the conviction. DR The doctor was a fool to plead innocent here, and he will pay big time. He had prior incidents of this behavior, documented by the cops. He called 911, giving incriminating statements. He gave incriminating statements to the cops on the scene. The cyclists were not breaking any laws, and had GPS data to document they were traveling at the speed limit. Any good lawyer would have advised him to plead no-contest to lesser charges. He'd have avoided most of the jail sentence and still have a shot at avoiding significant civil damages (maybe even kept his license?). Now he will lose it all. I don't think he can turn it around in his sentencing hearing. He won't receive the maximum sentence as it is his first offense, so I expect him to get 6 yrs, eligible for parole in 2 yrs. Hooray for Ron Peterson (a friend, an excellent Cat 1 cyclist and coach, and man with a very easy-going attitude), and hooray for our justice system and hooray for us. From the tragedy we have recovered some small amount of loss. |
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