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Lobbying by cyclists may yet have an impact on the HTA
Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic
Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO |
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On 9/22/2017 9:21 AM, Duane wrote:
On 22/09/2017 9:47 AM, wrote: Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO This has been in the news in Montreal. I'm not sure this is going anywhere. Even if it's implemented it would need to be applied. Quebec recently raised some of the fines for motorists injuring cyclists. For example, the fine for dooring a cyclist went from $30 to #300. Last year a woman opened a door and injured a cyclist. He was not only injured but his bike was destroyed. The cops didn't ticket her. I wrote to the police department complaining about this and they replied that it's up to the discretion of the officer on the scene. Not only does this woman get off with no fine whatsoever, but as a result of the driver not being ticketed, the cyclist, who is a bike messenger, can't get his bike repaired by the driver's liability insurance. He has to go to small claims court to have his bike repaired. I asked the police how this could be a question of the officer's discretion but they replied that that was a decision made by the officer on the scene and they would not discuss this except with the persons involved. So sure, it's a good thing to pass these laws. Maybe the press will make people think more but unless they're actually implemented the result will be minimal. Besides which, despite years of data showing no effective difference, people continue to claim 'hands free' vs 'thumbs on' matters. http://www.channel3000.com/news/poli...ving/624705250 for further inquiry: https://archive.unews.utah.edu/news_...ng-are-unsafe/ http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/07/news...ing/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/distrac...mand-features/ http://www.stonelaw.com/Articles/Stu...traction.shtml -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 22/09/2017 11:54 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/22/2017 9:21 AM, Duane wrote: On 22/09/2017 9:47 AM, wrote: Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO This has been in the news in Montreal.Â* I'm not sure this is going anywhere.Â* Even if it's implemented it would need to be applied.Â* Quebec recently raised some of the fines for motorists injuring cyclists.Â* For example, the fine for dooring a cyclist went from $30 to #300.Â* Last year a woman opened a door and injured a cyclist.Â* He was not only injured but his bike was destroyed.Â* The cops didn't ticket her.Â* I wrote to the police department complaining about this and they replied that it's up to the discretion of the officer on the scene. Not only does this woman get off with no fine whatsoever, but as a result of the driver not being ticketed, the cyclist, who is a bike messenger, can't get his bike repaired by the driver's liability insurance. He has to go to small claims court to have his bike repaired. I asked the police how this could be a question of the officer's discretion but they replied that that was a decision made by the officer on the scene and they would not discuss this except with the persons involved. So sure, it's a good thing to pass these laws.Â* Maybe the press will make people think more but unless they're actually implemented the result will be minimal. Besides which, despite years of data showing no effective difference, people continue to claim 'hands free' vs 'thumbs on' matters. http://www.channel3000.com/news/poli...ving/624705250 for further inquiry: https://archive.unews.utah.edu/news_...ng-are-unsafe/ http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/07/news...ing/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/distrac...mand-features/ http://www.stonelaw.com/Articles/Stu...traction.shtml well I have no sympathy. A guy rear ended me at a stop light a couple years ago. When I got out and walked up to his car, he was still on the phone and actually held his hand up telling me to hang on a second as if to say he was taking a call. The day before I was at the same light at the same time in the same place on my bike. It would have been much different then. we've had cases where the cops catch the driver on the phone and ticket him. I'm good if they want to throw the book at them. Even if it isn't any worse than hands free, at least it's provable. |
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On a related topic, Jan 1 2018 Illinois gets revised laws for bicycles. Allowed to use shoulder (if clean enough but not marked as bike lane as currently required). Cars allow to pass in no passing zone if bicycle is doing less than half of the speed limit, they give 3 feet clearance, and don't exceed the speed limit. Lets see how they work then try to spread them to other states. http://www.illinoisbicyclelaw.com/20...bike-laws.html (good bicycle accident lawyer for chicago).
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. Given that a number of studies have shown that bicycles are at fault in a substantial percentage of bicycle-auto collisions, more than half in one study, and in at least two reports autopsies showed that as many as 25% of cyclist deaths had excessive BAC, will these new aggressive penalties apply to cyclists? Or solely to autos? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 6:31:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. Given that a number of studies have shown that bicycles are at fault in a substantial percentage of bicycle-auto collisions, more than half in one study, and in at least two reports autopsies showed that as many as 25% of cyclist deaths had excessive BAC, will these new aggressive penalties apply to cyclists? Or solely to autos? In San Francisco I would guess that bicycles are at fault in bike/car collisions more than half the time. And the other half are car drivers with road rage from the acts of bicyclists. When you are polite with drivers they are generally polite back unless they are young punks trying to show off their machismo via automobile or Asian women who simply cannot drive. |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:56:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 6:31:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. Given that a number of studies have shown that bicycles are at fault in a substantial percentage of bicycle-auto collisions, more than half in one study, and in at least two reports autopsies showed that as many as 25% of cyclist deaths had excessive BAC, will these new aggressive penalties apply to cyclists? Or solely to autos? In San Francisco I would guess that bicycles are at fault in bike/car collisions more than half the time. And the other half are car drivers with road rage from the acts of bicyclists. When you are polite with drivers they are generally polite back unless they are young punks trying to show off their machismo via automobile or Asian women who simply cannot drive. Hey! My wife is an Asian woman and hasn't hit a bicycle in her 25 year career as an auto pilot :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:07:50 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
wrote: On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 7:41:10 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:56:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 6:31:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. Given that a number of studies have shown that bicycles are at fault in a substantial percentage of bicycle-auto collisions, more than half in one study, and in at least two reports autopsies showed that as many as 25% of cyclist deaths had excessive BAC, will these new aggressive penalties apply to cyclists? Or solely to autos? In San Francisco I would guess that bicycles are at fault in bike/car collisions more than half the time. And the other half are car drivers with road rage from the acts of bicyclists. When you are polite with drivers they are generally polite back unless they are young punks trying to show off their machismo via automobile or Asian women who simply cannot drive. Hey! My wife is an Asian woman and hasn't hit a bicycle in her 25 year career as an auto pilot :-) ... as far as you know Nope. She does tell me. She sort of drop kicked a motorcycle through a stop light once and she told me about that... how else would she explain that dent in the front bumper? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 6:51:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:07:50 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 7:41:10 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:56:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 6:31:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Legislation to beef up penalties under the Highway Traffic Act is to be proposed in Ontario: http://cyclingmagazine.ca/advocacy/o...bodily-injury/. We'll see if it has any effect other than to produce tombstone reactions. Given that a number of studies have shown that bicycles are at fault in a substantial percentage of bicycle-auto collisions, more than half in one study, and in at least two reports autopsies showed that as many as 25% of cyclist deaths had excessive BAC, will these new aggressive penalties apply to cyclists? Or solely to autos? In San Francisco I would guess that bicycles are at fault in bike/car collisions more than half the time. And the other half are car drivers with road rage from the acts of bicyclists. When you are polite with drivers they are generally polite back unless they are young punks trying to show off their machismo via automobile or Asian women who simply cannot drive. Hey! My wife is an Asian woman and hasn't hit a bicycle in her 25 year career as an auto pilot :-) ... as far as you know Nope. She does tell me. She sort of drop kicked a motorcycle through a stop light once and she told me about that... how else would she explain that dent in the front bumper? .... okay, as far as -SHE- knows. |
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