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Talk to scouts. They know how to make do with the minimum in gear and
tools yet live quite comfortably out in the wilderness.

For how long?

On 2017-06-26 10:56, Doug Landau wrote:

Talk to scouts. They know how to make do with the minimum in gear and
tools yet live quite comfortably out in the wilderness.

For how long?


From the trips I heard about, up to two weeks. In the army it can be
tougher. There you are tested with next to nothing in gear and you have
to make it from A to B without ever being noticed by civilians or other
soldiers trying to find you. One of our lieutenants said it was a piece
of cake for him and that the really hard part for him was his craving
for cigarettes.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-26 10:56, Doug Landau wrote:

Talk to scouts. They know how to make do with the minimum in gear and
tools yet live quite comfortably out in the wilderness.

For how long?


From the trips I heard about, up to two weeks. In the army it can be
tougher. There you are tested with next to nothing in gear and you have
to make it from A to B without ever being noticed by civilians or other
soldiers trying to find you. One of our lieutenants said it was a piece
of cake for him and that the really hard part for him was his craving
for cigarettes.


In other words, not sustainable

On 6/26/2017 4:11 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-26 10:56, Doug Landau wrote:

Talk to scouts. They know how to make do with the minimum in gear and
tools yet live quite comfortably out in the wilderness.

For how long?


From the trips I heard about, up to two weeks. In the army it can be
tougher. There you are tested with next to nothing in gear and you have
to make it from A to B without ever being noticed by civilians or other
soldiers trying to find you. One of our lieutenants said it was a piece
of cake for him and that the really hard part for him was his craving
for cigarettes.


In other words, not sustainable


define "sustainable"

http://www.sangres.com/history/alfer...m#.WVF9skq99hM

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2017-06-26 14:36, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/26/2017 4:11 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-26 10:56, Doug Landau wrote:

Talk to scouts. They know how to make do with the minimum in gear and
tools yet live quite comfortably out in the wilderness.

For how long?


From the trips I heard about, up to two weeks. In the army it can be
tougher. There you are tested with next to nothing in gear and you have
to make it from A to B without ever being noticed by civilians or other
soldiers trying to find you. One of our lieutenants said it was a piece
of cake for him and that the really hard part for him was his craving
for cigarettes.


In other words, not sustainable


Yeah, they didn't have Nicorettes back then.


define "sustainable"

http://www.sangres.com/history/alfer...m#.WVF9skq99hM



Even longer sustaining:

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/ca-donnerparty.html

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:50:28 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-26 14:36, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/26/2017 4:11 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-26 10:56, Doug Landau wrote:

Talk to scouts. They know how to make do with the minimum in gear and
tools yet live quite comfortably out in the wilderness.

For how long?


From the trips I heard about, up to two weeks. In the army it can be
tougher. There you are tested with next to nothing in gear and you have
to make it from A to B without ever being noticed by civilians or other
soldiers trying to find you. One of our lieutenants said it was a piece
of cake for him and that the really hard part for him was his craving
for cigarettes.


In other words, not sustainable


Yeah, they didn't have Nicorettes back then.


define "sustainable"

http://www.sangres.com/history/alfer...m#.WVF9skq99hM



Even longer sustaining:

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/ca-donnerparty.html

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

No, that is not sustaining either. For sustaining, you must go back one year, to 1845, in the exact same spot, to the story of Moses Schallenberger,
who was left behind there when the previous year's party got stuck, and who built the cabin in which the Donner party took shelter, and who sustained himself by trapping foxes.

https://www.google.com/search?q=moses+schallenberger

On 26/06/17 21:09, John B. wrote:


It probably depends on just what sort of "fruit cake" it is. I used to
make some with honey, peanut butter and oat meal, with a box of
raisins thrown in for "fruit". Certainly more then empty calories
there :-)


I rode 90km yesterday, and Strava calculated that I produced 2049kJ of
mechanical energy output. There are various online resources that
suggest a reasonable estimation of human energy efficiency from food to
mechanical output, is 25%. That means my food energy intake for that
ride needed to be 8196kJ. The recommended daily energy intake is 8700kJ
for adult men. Maybe I'll have two slices of fruit cake ;-)

--
JS

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 26/06/17 21:09, John B. wrote:


It probably depends on just what sort of "fruit cake" it is. I used to
make some with honey, peanut butter and oat meal, with a box of
raisins thrown in for "fruit". Certainly more then empty calories
there :-)


I rode 90km yesterday, and Strava calculated that I produced 2049kJ of
mechanical energy output. There are various online resources that
suggest a reasonable estimation of human energy efficiency from food to
mechanical output, is 25%. That means my food energy intake for that
ride needed to be 8196kJ. The recommended daily energy intake is 8700kJ
for adult men. Maybe I'll have two slices of fruit cake ;-)

Be careful. If you exercise a lot and then eat a lot, you're a very sick person. http://www.healthline.com/health/exe...more#overview1 This is why I have stopped exercising and learned to just eat a lot. It is making me healthy again.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 4:28:57 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Be careful. If you exercise a lot and then eat a lot, you're a very sick person. http://www.healthline.com/health/exe...more#overview1 This is why I have stopped exercising and learned to just eat a lot. It is making me healthy again.

And I'll bet you those people actually believe that crap. Bulimia is the compulsion to EAT followed by a compulsion to have a normal body image. Exercising normally and eating enough to balance is not a compulsion. It is good sense.

On that cruise down to Mexico with nothing to do and good food I gained five lbs. I've finally lost it. God, maybe I'll bulimic.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 06:59:59 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-06-26 06:07, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/25/2017 10:27 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 7:06:20 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On 26 Jun 2017, James wrote:
On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:
-snip-
I snipped all but the pertinent bit
-snip-
And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now
-snip-
Good luck with that.
I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit
cake,
-snip-
(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
-snip-

I don't know where you get your ingredients from since Red Bull has
about the same caffeine as a quarter cup of weak coffee.

Most of the ingredients are water and salts with a bit of sugar and
flavoring.

Actually, 8.4 oz of Red Bull (a can) has 80 mg of caffeine. A cup of
coffee varies. My usual poison, a double shot of espresso, has 100 mg
of caffeine. http://www.math.utah.edu/~yplee/fun/caffeine.html

Red Bull is not a "sports drink." It's an "energy drink," viz. a
stimulant drink.


If you want a real stimulant during take Jolt. It clocks in at almost
200mg/can of caffeine and the 20oz suposedly is closer to 300mg. No idea
what that's good for on a bicycle although I must confess that I did
fall asleep on a road bike once, on my way to school as a kid. Luckily
there was no ditch next to the bike path but a flat grassy area.


http://awordonnutrition.com/sepost/e.../?type=article
Stimulants have their place. I get caffeine in GU gel packs, which
are kind of bail-out food. Way back when, I got caffeine and ephedra
in Pocket Rockets -- one of the first gel packs. I ate so many of
those in a long road race 20+ years ago that I was shaking by the end
of the race and couldn't sleep that night. My drink of choice is
Hammer Heed -- which is easy on my stomach and actually makes my
muscles feel less tired. GU packs for a quick burst and
head-clearing, and Cliff Bars for food (among other things). Try a
good sports drink from a mix.


You're probably not on the podium much:
https://scottsilverii.com/tag/jacques-anquetil/

Jacques Anquetil

A five-time tour winner, Anquetil was also known for the perfection of
his own cocktail, which consisted of morphine (injected into the muscle)
and amphetamines to counteract any sleepy side affects. When asked if he
took stimulants, Anquetil didn’t mind providing a quote. “You would have
to be an imbecile or a crook to imagine a professional cyclist who races
for 235 days a year can hold the pace without stimulants.”

When he was asked later to clarify, he said this. “For 50 years bike
racers have been taking stimulants. Obviously we can do without them in
a race, but then we will pedal 15 miles an hour instead of 25. Since
were are constantly asked to go faster and to make even greater efforts,
we are obliged to take stimulants.”

Other quotable cyclists in that link.


Reminds me of the "tank chocolate" the German army gave some troops in
WW-II. AFAIK that was crystal meth.

Both U.S. and German (and probably other military services) used
"amphetamines", possibly in the form of Benzedrine, as a stimulant. It
was included in USAF on-board medical kits issued to aircraft flying
in combat zones until the 1950's sometime, I can remember it being
removed from the on board kits on B-29's used in the Korean war.
Interestingly, we (the common ground crew members) had no idea what
the stuff was until the Medics told us :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.