New recumbent newsgroup

On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" wrote:

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you.

True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis L. Russell wrote:

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Well if a user only subscribes to 1 or 2 newsgroups, then in my opinion
it's probably not worth paying for a newserver, but if you read more
than a few it may be worth it. Most groups have their version of ED, an
investing one I read has an AERO that could very well be a cousin of ED.
As I stated before filters are your friend.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

32GO wrote:
Curtis wrote:

the real problem is only peripherally ED...

It's very pleasant to see reasonable discussion here.
I understand what Curtis is saying, and respect his
perspective, even though I'm not in total agreement.
As I reread my post, which was already way too long,
I sort of flinched when I noticed that my comments
were based on a web-centric interface to ARBR and
largely ignored folks who do use newsreaders.

Curtis's input comes from the other extreme, of course,
and his suggestions may be a valid approach for some
(would-be?) participants here. However, given the extent
to which Usenet has been integrated into the much more
popular world of http, I think it's pretty likely that
a sizable segment of folks today who read and post to
Usenet groups have never fired up and set up a real
newsreader interface.

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you. The great
offense of our resident TROLL, I think, is the hostility
he has shown to on-topic posters. Most folks who post
here are interested in the replies to their messages,
and he has alienated way too many posters, along with
other potential participants who don't wish to be cursed
or ridiculed simply because they'd like to ask a question
or tell some other people who might care about a neat
recumbent experience.

So... I believe that the TROLL is not so peripheral
as Curtis (and other newsreader users) may regard him.
It's not just his grossly overdone volume of off-topic
posts (which still vastly outnumber the total quantity
of replies he gets from ALL other posters); IMHO he's
also the primary reason that recumbent riders opt to
post at BROL rather than here. And that lack of real,
interesting, on-topic messages impacts even the guys
like Curtis who visit us by newsreader.

Regards,
Wayne

I've tried it both ways. I've not bothered too much with the
newsreader (Outlook Express) though I've set it up and I suppose I
really should spend more time with it, but always figure I'm just here
for a short spell and then get embroiled in another fracas with Eddy D.
I have to break out of that habit. Wayne's points are well taken.
Unlike Dolan, he is obviously a rational person who thinks things
through and and communicate his thoughts well ... even in prose ;^).
I'm suspect when Ed gets wind of this thread, Wayne, Curt and I will
hear from the misanthropic Minnesotan ... the worthless from
Worthington - Order of the Perpetual Sorry Asses, but who cares.

Jim McNamara

On 01/16/2007 18:04:20 "JimmyMac" wrote:


I'm not sure it the original
poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly understand
where he's coming from .

I used to own an ISP.

--

Buck

Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.

http://www.catrike.co.uk

"Ken C. M." wrote in message
...
Curtis L. Russell wrote:

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Well if a user only subscribes to 1 or 2 newsgroups, then in my opinion
it's probably not worth paying for a newserver, but if you read more than
a few it may be worth it. Most groups have their version of ED, an
investing one I read has an AERO that could very well be a cousin of ED.
As I stated before filters are your friend.

Ken
--
There is an essentially free newserver at www.teranews. It costs a one time
$3.95 fee for 50Mb daily downloads. So far it seems to be quite reliable for
the two weeks that I have been using it.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" wrote:

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you.

True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
Opinions anyone?

Jim McNamara

"Ken C. M." wrote:
I guess it depend on the browser and the computer. Well the main
advantage is that it's moderated so there are many more posts that
actually have something to do with recumbent cycling. This NG is very
lucky if it gets an average of two real posts a day over a 7 day period.
Filters work good, I wouldn't even know about the garbage posts if
people didn't reply to them.

Ken
Filtering has been my solution, also messes up when someone responds
instead of just kill-filtering.
I stop by to see if an information is around, sometimes there is.

Don

There will always be some off-topic banter and there is nothing wrong with
that. It can even be interesting when the discussion is heated if the
participants have respect for each other. But when someone resorts to name
calling, and other forms of offensiveness, it drags the group down. If I
stumbled into a good off-topic discussion that was interesting to read, I
don't think I'd care that it was off topic.

In a climate where there is basic respect among the people participating, a
wide variety of both on and off topic threads would make the group more
interesting.

If we were all sitting in a room talking, and someone came in and started
screaming, and there was no way to get rid of him or make him stop, we would
have to do what we are all talking about doing now. We would have to go
somewhere else where the screamer could be excluded.

All of us are interested in recumbents and we are interested in other
things. Our variety of interests can make a group where we all participate
both lively and interesting. It could be that a public place is not the
place where that can happen, however.

Our Troll is clearly determined to cause trouble. All protestations to the
contrary aside, that is the effect of the name calling, abusiveness, and
cross posting. I can say that "I am hitting you for your own good" but that
lie has long been recognized as a lie. Even if our troll is sincere in his
intentions, it is his effect that must ultimately be graded.

I have defended his right to be here in the past because this is a public
space but if there were an alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.moderated, I would
never see this group again and I wouldn't miss the troll.

So I support the moderated group and I'd be happy to help if help is needed.

Thanks,
Jeff
"32GO" wrote in message
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Curtis wrote:

the real problem is only peripherally ED...

It's very pleasant to see reasonable discussion here.
I understand what Curtis is saying, and respect his
perspective, even though I'm not in total agreement.
As I reread my post, which was already way too long,
I sort of flinched when I noticed that my comments
were based on a web-centric interface to ARBR and
largely ignored folks who do use newsreaders.

Curtis's input comes from the other extreme, of course,
and his suggestions may be a valid approach for some
(would-be?) participants here. However, given the extent
to which Usenet has been integrated into the much more
popular world of http, I think it's pretty likely that
a sizable segment of folks today who read and post to
Usenet groups have never fired up and set up a real
newsreader interface.

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you. The great
offense of our resident TROLL, I think, is the hostility
he has shown to on-topic posters. Most folks who post
here are interested in the replies to their messages,
and he has alienated way too many posters, along with
other potential participants who don't wish to be cursed
or ridiculed simply because they'd like to ask a question
or tell some other people who might care about a neat
recumbent experience.

So... I believe that the TROLL is not so peripheral
as Curtis (and other newsreader users) may regard him.
It's not just his grossly overdone volume of off-topic
posts (which still vastly outnumber the total quantity
of replies he gets from ALL other posters); IMHO he's
also the primary reason that recumbent riders opt to
post at BROL rather than here. And that lack of real,
interesting, on-topic messages impacts even the guys
like Curtis who visit us by newsreader.

Regards,
Wayne

Both of you move over...The first computer I ever used was the Dartmouth
Time Sharing System which was connected to a KSR-33 teletype. The speed was
110 baud. It seemed really fast at the time. It had a paper tape punch (that
was how you saved your programs) and reader (that was how you loaded them).
When I first saw 300 baud I couldn't believe how fast it was. Those were the
days.

Jeff
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" wrote:

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you.

True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
Opinions anyone?

Jim McNamara

Jeff Grippe wrote:
Both of you move over...The first computer I ever used was the Dartmouth
Time Sharing System which was connected to a KSR-33 teletype. The speed was
110 baud. It seemed really fast at the time. It had a paper tape punch (that
was how you saved your programs) and reader (that was how you loaded them).
When I first saw 300 baud I couldn't believe how fast it was. Those were the
days.

Jeff
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
oups.com...

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" wrote:

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you.

True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
Opinions anyone?

Jim McNamara