New recumbent newsgroup

JimmyMac wrote:
Jeff Grippe wrote:
Both of you move over...The first computer I ever used was the Dartmouth
Time Sharing System which was connected to a KSR-33 teletype. The speed was
110 baud. It seemed really fast at the time. It had a paper tape punch (that
was how you saved your programs) and reader (that was how you loaded them).
When I first saw 300 baud I couldn't believe how fast it was. Those were the
days.

Jeff
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" wrote:

For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you.

True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.

So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
Opinions anyone?

Jim McNamara

Oops ... I just inadvertently sent a blank message. Jeff, I think I
recall the 110 now that I think of it, but you probably preceded me in
the IT field then called data processing. My start was in 1970 on '60s
vintage IBM mainframe hardware. I was an applications programmer, a
systems programmer, PC technical support among other things. I got
involved in the microcomputer hobby early on and recall computer kits,
front panel toggle switches, paper tape and audio cassette I/O devices,
10cps teletype printers, etc. Those were exciting times in the hobby
before it became dominated by what is now big business. still I built
my last PC with the motherboard that I pulled out of a Dell, but I
digress. This has nothing to do with recumbents or the topic at hand.
I'm curious to see where this will take us.

Jim McNamara

Oops ... I just inadvertently sent a blank message. Jeff, I think I
recall the 110 now that I think of it, but you probably preceded me in
the IT field then called data processing. My start was in 1970 on '60s
vintage IBM mainframe hardware. I was an applications programmer, a
systems programmer, PC technical support among other things. I got
involved in the microcomputer hobby early on and recall computer kits,
front panel toggle switches, paper tape and audio cassette I/O devices,
10cps teletype printers, etc. Those were exciting times in the hobby
before it became dominated by what is now big business. still I built
my last PC with the motherboard that I pulled out of a Dell, but I
digress. This has nothing to do with recumbents or the topic at hand.
I'm curious to see where this will take us.

I also got started in the 70's. Most of my early experience was with Time
Sharing systems and Minis. After we dumped Dartmouth Time Sharing, we got a
PDP 11/45 running RSTS. The programming language was BASIC +. The 11 had
RK-05 drives which were the size of a small automobile tire and held an
amazing 5 Mb. At the time, that was more than enough to hold all of the
administrative programs along with all of the student work. We were still
using KSR-33's from teletype although we also had a few Decwriters. You had
to be special to get access to those.

Jeff

"Ken C. M." wrote in message
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Buck wrote:
Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will
be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.


I agree with Jim, BROL is my remedy when I need a recumbent fix. I am not
even sure why I still bother with this NG.

Ken

Ken hangs around here to read the Great Ed Dolan, who will also answer to
the appellation of Ed Dolan the Great. The important thing is never to
mistake ME for ordinary slobs like Ken.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Buck" wrote in message
...
Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will be
a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.

I offer myself as the moderator for the new group. I will make damn sure
that fully 99% of you never get a word in edgewise!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Buck wrote:
Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will
be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.

Buck, whereas I concur with your sentiment, a moderated recumbent forum
already exists ... BROL.

Jim McNamara

Well, Hells Bells, I have been saying as much myself for over a year now.
God, the rest of you are just so slow!

What is really funny though is how Jim McNamara, aka "The Pathetic Stalker",
pretends that he did not have anything to do with destroying this group.
Like I said before, he is a very funny fellow indeed!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"32GO" wrote in message
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Hey guys -

Ken wrote:

I am not even sure why I still bother with this NG.

I apologize to Buck, the original poster, for posting
this to the group rather than replying via off-group
email as requested, but I thought what I have to say on
the topic might be of interest to other folks as well.

I think most of us who still harbor some hope for ARBR
do so because we understand the potential value of an
OPEN internet forum. As long as one remains reasonably
functional and uncluttered - and oddly enough, some do -
it can be one of the most interesting and FUN venues for
enthusiasts to exchange info and amuse each other.

As I have said before, BROL has done a great job for
several years, and has quite clearly become THE dominant
platform for recumbent discussion. I read it almost
everyday, and I use it for most of my posts now, along
with the IHPVA Trikes list. I sincerely hope and expect
that BROL's messageboard will be with us for years to
come.

But, honestly, there are no guarantees for how long BROL
will last, whether it will remain free to post and/or
read, or even whether its moderator(s) will maintain
the impressively light, even-handed touch they've shown
to date. There are numerous other groups, mail lists,
forums and such already in place for 'bent folks, with
scopes ranging from a single bike or manufacturer to
wide open. Since they're sorta hard to find, typically,
most of these are pretty obscure and have minimal
participation. What would be the point of yet another?

The advantages of ARBR have historically been that:

l. It's part of Usenet and fairly easy to find for a
newby who knows nothing whatever about what resources
exist on the net for recumbent cycling;

2. Being part of Usenet, it requires no special effort
from anyone to keep it up and running; and

3. It is OPEN, with absolutely minimal restrictions,
so it essentially provides a platform for anyone to
say his piece and be sure that someone will read it
without censorship.

That last bit is, of course, the potentially fatal flaw
for ARBR! Most sincere posters will not return after
they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.

This newsgrouop has been dragged through the mud by a failed poet and a
failed recumbent trike shop owner located in Ventura, California by the name
of Wayne Leggett who writes about areas of the groin, i.e., about **** and
**** and ass and ****, all in verse no less.

At this point, and (FINALLY!) getting to a straight
answer to Buck's proposal, I would be very amenable to
any suggestion for a moderated Usenet group to discuss
recumbents, and will even help anyone who's willing to
'bell the cat' (set up the approvals and do all the
day-to-work of screening and maintenance once the new
group is in operation).

Wayne just wants to push his damnable recumbent trikes, which as we all know
are overpriced and not worth thousands of dollars.

Whatever you do, do not allow Wayne anywhere near the new group. Before you
know it he will be posting his abominable verse about **** and **** and ass
and ****. Better that I be your moderator!

A partial solution to our problem might be a concerted
effort to persuade most of the folks who have a hard
time dealing with the unpleasantness of a hyperactive
TROLL on a completely open forum to use one of the more
'controlled' doorways to the Usenet group - e.g.,
Cycling Forums. They now filter out our most annoying
and prolific off-topic poster, but even there a reader
will pick up some of the broad spectrum SPAM that
Google Groups filters from their top page and archives.
If this idea resonates with a lot of folks interested
in ARBR, it would be fairly simple to post a weekly
reminder which would be broadcast to the whole wide
span of ARBR on Usenet.

Do I have any enthusiasm or interest for yet another
new private or Google-style newsgroup or mail list?
Not unless I could be convinced that it could address
the challenges of becoming known, attracting solid
participation, and giving the 'bent community some
confidence that it will have long-term 'legs', once
its originator really sees how much work is involved.

The fact is that there are not very many folks in this world who are
interested in recumbents, especially not recumbent trikes. Poor Wayne is
desperate to move his merchandise. Maybe if he spent more time trying to
please his few customers and less time posting his **** and **** and ass and
**** to ARBR he would be better off - and so would the rest of us, that is
for sure!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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[...]
Very nicely said, but no doubt Dolan will kvetch for it not bing in the
form of verse.

Wayne only writes in verse when it is about **** and **** and ass and ****.

I too should have apologized for responding publicly,
but like you felt this was a public issue. I'm not sure it the
original poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly
understand where he's coming from . two recent posters sai it all when
a brief visit sent then packing the reason being that forum has little
to do with recumbents. Eventually the spamer(s) will give it up.

Nope it will never happen. 99% of ARBR'ers have ever proven themselves to be
cowards. Spammers just love cowards. Jim, to his credit, at least fought
back, but he is cursed with being a pathetic stalker, which is almost as bad
as being a SPAMMING TROLL.

Then,
if HEAD Dolan the GRATE were to depart, things would improve
considerably. Wouldn't it be nice if he took his tiresome,
repetitious, recycled rhetoric elsewhere. Here's a suggestion for
Dolan. Ed, could start his own group and call it ...
Dolan.fatuous.recycled.opinions. He could cross-post invitations
throughout cyber-space and see just how few (if any) become members.
That would serve nicely as a barometer of his worthlessness ...just a
thought. - Jim

ARBR was destroyed by Ed Gin, the SPAMMING TROLL. Jim McNamara and Wayne
Leggett did not help things along either by being nothing but pathetic
stalkers.

Ed Dolan the Great tired to save the group from itself, but the group was
too feckless to follow HIS lead.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Buck" wrote in message
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On 01/16/2007 18:04:20 "JimmyMac" wrote:


I'm not sure it the original
poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly understand
where he's coming from .

I used to own an ISP.

It is not possible that someone as stupid as Buck could ever have owned an
ISP. Hells Bells, does he even own a brain?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Curtis L. Russell" wrote in message
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On 16 Jan 2007 09:30:42 -0800, "32GO" wrote:

Most sincere posters will not return after
they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.

I stick my head in here once in a long while and the real problem is
only peripherally ED. Afterall, it takes three clicks on any one of
the news readers I have available to make him disappear. The core of
the problem is that for a very long time there are no real posts about
recumbents. There is very little about bicycling at all. The people
that complain the loudest are the ones that wash away any chance that
the newsgroup can have a healthy life once you carve away the rotten
portions created by ED and his ilk.

Curtis Russell has never done anything either to the group or, more
importantly, FOR the group that I can recall. Yea, just another complete
cipher - like all the rest of you!

Unfortunately, what I see quoted of ED by others is correct - once you
carve him away, there is no healthy portion left. You can pretty much
read ED or read about him or read responses to him. Those that
remained in this group have made ED into a miniature Jabba the Hutt.

The Great Ed Dolan never interferes with on-topic posts.

(An aside: this isn't aimed at anyone specifically here and now - this
has been happening from about three months after ED showed up here.)

I have been here well over 3 years. It took me an entire first year to just
to get rid of all the liberal scum bags that had infected ARBR with their
odious presence.

All you have to do to take back this group is to ignore ED - click on
his name and say 'ignore' or 'killfile', then click any thread that is
about him and say 'mark thread read' and start talking about
recumbents again. If he wants to rant and rave, put him a padded room
with silence. If a newbie shows up and responds to him, send an email
off-line to the newbie - don't even add one response to the thread.

It is impossible not to respond to the Great Ed Dolan. It is part of my
charisma, and indeed karma, to have this effect on lesser mortals than
MYSELF!

Not that I have anything special to say or think everyone should hike
up the recumbent relevant noise ratio just to drown out ED, but I'd be
glad to hang around to contribute to a healthier RBR. You just won't
see me respond to ED or anyone on an ED-centric thread.

Curtis L. Russell
Who posted here long before ED found RBR

It may be that Curtis was one of the liberal scum bags that I had to get rid
of. Frankly, there were so many that I can no longer remember them all. All
that lingers is the stink of them in my nostrils.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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[...]
Makes perfectly good sense to me. With what Wayne said and what you
added, I feel that most the bases were covered ... and well too. I
think your advise is sound and I have given like advice myself at
times. I feel that I have somewhat contributed to the problem by
taking Ed on. It is rather a waste of time and only serves to give him
the attention he craves and encourages his bad behavior. I should be
calling it quits with him soon. I too would like to see this group
return to a semblance of normality ... call it decorum in the forum.
Like you observed though, more recumbent content is required for the
forum to live up to its original design intent. Who knows, perhaps some
of those who vacated to BROL might even pay a return visit when the
word gets out.

Jim likes to pretend that he can be just one of the guys again after being
one of the most obnoxious stalkers ever to infect ARBR. Sorry, but he has
lost any credibility he ever had. Well, that is what happens to you when you
tangle with the Great Ed Dolan. I remain as pure as the driven snow, but
that can never be said about anyone else on ARBR.

We do not want anyone who fled to BROL to ever come back here. They have
already proven themselves to be cowards once, or is not once enough! The
very thought of seeing old Cletus Lee on ARBR is enough to send me into
orbit. Such a dullard there never was in the entire history of the universe.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota