A March on Washington... on Bicycle?

On Nov 23, 4:20*pm, Peter Clinch wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote:
I see, a definite connection. You live in Colombia, you need gated
communities, you live in the UK or Europe, you don't, and you live in
America, it's kind of in-between. *In other words, the more civilized
the society is, the less need for gated communities. Never saw any in
Oslo or Canary Islands.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can be dumb enough to think
all of the US, or all of Britain, or all of Columbia, or all of any
country on the planet, is equally safe everywhere within its
borders. *But you go ahead and prove me wrong.

You don't listen, so time to stop pretending you might. *Bye.

Nothing is Black and White, it's a matter of degree, where Scandinavia/
Holland is at the top of civilization (a 9 to make room for
improvement), Haiti is down to 0, Colombia is a 3 (believe it or not
they have great initiatives for bike facilities that are working) and
America is a 5. The UK I think gets a passing grade with a 7. Your BBC
documentaries about the jungle have taught me invaluable lessons as
well as Darwin and Orwell. Why you insist on defending the status quo
that only places our species on the most-endangered species? How can
you defend a system that denies my right to ride a bike in safety so I
can help Peace and the Environment?

I better stop talking before I lower the ratings given above.

On Nov 23, 7:30*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Tom Keats" wrote in message

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ComandanteBanana writes:
On Nov 22, 12:23 am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
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Peter Clinch writes:

Though I suspect the most important driver of changing attitudes
will be the price if fuel going up, as that puts more peple on bikes.

Drivers taking to bikes doesn't necessarily change attitudes.
I think a lot of sidewalk riders are erstwhile drivers who
used to yell: "Get on the [expletive] sidewalk" at adjacent
cyclists. Drivers freshly upon bicycles will bring drivers'
attitudes, P'sOV and styles to bear.

They will behave as they previously desired & expected
cyclists to behave, thinking they're doing the right things.
It'll take them a while for them to realize they've
been humbled.

It'll take a while longer for them to realize they haven't
been humbled at all.

It'll take even longer for them to realize that while they
haven't be humbled, they haven't necessarily been exalted --
they're just people among many, on the streets & roads of
the world.
Either you are very DEEP, or you don't make sense at all. OK, I'll
give you the benefit of the doubt, but what makes people ride
sidewalks is how deadly roads are --or how they are perceived to be.

You just love to scare riders off the roads.
That's your goal, your objective.
Matthew 7:16

But PERCEPTION IS REALITY, and nobody's doing a thing to change that
* * *^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sometimes you're almost funny.

perception, nor are the authorities cracking down on reckless drivers
who terrorize cyclists.
So what do you expect, cyclists to be stupid enough to ride among
predatory drivers?

Your propaganda rhetoric is so ridiculously over the top.

But keep trying. *You no doubt will, anyway.

http://bicyclesafe.com/
http://www.dot.state.pa.us/BIKE/WEB/safety.htm
http://bccc.bc.ca/bikesafety/index.htm

Actually, it is very dangerous to ride a bicycle in Florida. The roads are
narrow and crowded and high speed with no shoulders. It is the perfect storm
for getting yourself killed.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks! And this THE model for Latin America, which in turn, becomes
the place for more gated communities. Or they steal the money from
there and invest it here, in relative safety.

(letter from Europe)

Originally Posted by cyclezealot
Generally I agree with you. On the continent , you don't need gated
communities... The UK, not so sure...?... There must be a reason all
the UK people are retiring tn the continent... Besides, climate and
cost of living , that is... We are presently in the US.. Mich and
Calif... Going to your favorite sports bar and hearing of armed
invasions.. Disrupts your appetite... Gun sales up 2 and 3 times their
normal rate. Can't say but some business' are not booming in the
US...
Other disadvantages.. Mass transit.. Found out in Mich you can't get
to Detroit or Canada , by taking the train or bus and return on the
same day.. Don't know if I could hack that. We are used to taking mass
transit, when ever, where ever we want... Even from one small burg to
another small burg.../.. But, should you be able to live inside gated
communities in the lap of luxury , and don't turn on television.. It's
a nice life..../ Another advantage of driving in the EU over Driving
in the US.. There is much less need to take a load of CD's to keep you
entertained on the autoroutes... On EU radio, you have everything from
classic to US alternative pop... Regulated radio offers so much more
variety, over the crap we hear on US radio...

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Thanks for that great feedback! Yeah, we shouldn't underplay the role
of a good Media in moving up the civilization scale. So is Public
Transportation, Public Safety (no need for Gated Communities) and Bike
Facilities.

I quote from my website...

'TV and radio should be independent of Big Business and the State.
(This is due to two reasons: culturally, because the ratings make bad
programs become "good"... for business; and, politically, because
whoever has power over the media... will be in power; however, people
should be able to watch anything on video and cable; the BBC offers us
and example of an independent media.)'

(I guess the US is only a 3)

Originally Posted by mlts22
It depends on the part of the US. Austin, you don't need gated
communities. However, go to some other parts of the US, and a gated
community with an armed guard at the entrances is a must.

I'd give the US a 3, not because of where it is presently, but where
its headed. In Columbia, college educations are not something one goes
into major student loan debt for; they are considered an extension of
high school. Other countries are the same way, where college is paid
for by their governments.

I also give the US a 3 because of its lack of a health care system. If
despised nations such as Cuba and Iran can assure that their citizens
get proper health care without bankrupting them and their family, why
can't America do the same?

Finally, I give the US a 3 because of the lack of improvements in
communications and transport infrastructures. Instead of laying more
fiber, all the telcos and cable companies either are, or will be soon
charging by the bit. So, we are paying more for services as opposed to
less as time progresses, and this is not do to inflation. Roads too.
Take Austin. Most of its highways are proposed to end up as toll roads
(and of course this doesn't mean your commute time gets shorter...
just you pay 75 cents for the privilege of looking at another car's
bumper going home.)

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See what I mean? I was being too soft on uncivilized behavior of all
sorts.

It sure seems to be heading down, but maybe, just maybe, Obama will
change things...

Well, I don't know but he's the last hope that we've got before
Armageddon or the Revolution. Of course, I prefer the Revolution.

This new book seems to go to the root of the problem in the jungle...
"Money for bike facilities and traffic safety? Hey, there's not enough
dough to be made!"

'From the contractors who built sub-standard structures in New Orleans
and were told to “keep quiet”, to the whistleblowers who sacrificed
their jobs to come forward and expose the cover-ups, cooked books, and
cronyism nationwide within the Army Corps of Engineers, this film digs
deep to unearth the truth. While scientists charged with investigating
the Katrina disaster were intentionally led astray, journalists dug
their heels in to get to the root of “disaster capitalism”, a process
by which government insiders cash in with emergency no-bid contracts,
in times of national stress.

America Betrayed clearly exposes our government’s misappropriation of
funds in spending its citizens’ hard-earned tax dollars on rebuilding
the Iraqi infrastructure, while the bridges, dams, levees and highways
in this country are crumbling. America Betrayed is a cautionary tale
for those who trust their government, and hopefully a wake-up call to
change the status quo in Washington.'

http://americabetrayedmovie.com/main.html

On Nov 24, 3:00*pm, KingOfTheApes wrote:
This new book seems to go to the root of the problem in the jungle...
"Money for bike facilities and traffic safety? Hey, there's not enough
dough to be made!"

Sorry, it's a film. So you can go to the matinee on Sunday and watch
it --if you can afford it.

"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message
...
This new book seems to go to the root of the problem in the jungle...
"Money for bike facilities and traffic safety? Hey, there's not enough
dough to be made!"

'From the contractors who built sub-standard structures in New Orleans
and were told to “keep quiet”, to the whistleblowers who sacrificed
their jobs to come forward and expose the cover-ups, cooked books, and
cronyism nationwide within the Army Corps of Engineers, this film digs
deep to unearth the truth. While scientists charged with investigating
the Katrina disaster were intentionally led astray, journalists dug
their heels in to get to the root of “disaster capitalism”, a process
by which government insiders cash in with emergency no-bid contracts,
in times of national stress.

America Betrayed clearly exposes our government’s misappropriation of
funds in spending its citizens’ hard-earned tax dollars on rebuilding
the Iraqi infrastructure, while the bridges, dams, levees and highways
in this country are crumbling. America Betrayed is a cautionary tale
for those who trust their government, and hopefully a wake-up call to
change the status quo in Washington.'

http://americabetrayedmovie.com/main.html

You are less than a sniffing, tainted, dampish ****face. You are a
moiling, idle, encysted looter. You are a pimping, sun-dried,
heat-releasing flummery. You frolicking, rancid, loopy yes-man. You
evacuating, overweening, stodgy goblin. You stammering, motionless, just
potty-trained imbecile. You are a screaking, arse-faced, overexcited
arse. You are a nidificating, empty-headed, shuffling gull-catcher. You
intonating, symbiotic, contrived grandma. You collapsing, illogical,
teeming flirt-gill. You are less than a vomiting, baffled, melancholic
death-token. You are a squalling, puppyish, blanched snot****. You are
less than a dizzying, strip-mined, rash hayseed. You burning,
flap-mouthed, floppy fugitive. You nitrifying, impertinent, slapstick
zigzagger. You are a groveling, domesticated, ransacked telephonist. You
are a freaking, droll, bearded wretch. You flopping, moldering, foppish
homo. You are a farrowing, askew, abject waste of space. You
bellyaching, brainwashed, pudgy gipsy. You are a stooping, stemless,
squashed testicle. You are a bellowing, gushy, irreligious cornflake.
You bitching, moribund, dud gimcrack. You sniffing, high voltage,
overstrung pituitary gland. You waddling, light-fingered, pessimum flea
beetle. You officiating, negligible, deliquescent garbage carter. You
drooling, garbled, one-celled flypaper. You are less than a
generalising, infective, consumptive neuter. You are a baffling, rotten,
bucktooth piece of dog excrement. You cankering, disoriented, suspicious
****-knuckle.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

(I'm deleting one group because I can't do more than 5)

On Nov 24, 8:19*pm, "marika" wrote:
"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message

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the price in some places is down to 1.70, though

It's funny, gas prices are down, and so are SUV sales. So I guess
people will have to ride bikes because they can't afford cars.

Whatever the reason, the result is good, and I feel good...

Yeah, that's why I get so depressed... the price of oil is going
down.

But then I remember that we are in the middle of a huge economic
crisis and that the Big Three are trying to survive after producing
so
many fat SUVs, and finally I get happy.

Did you see SNL this weekend. *They're the only real winners in this
economic downturn because there's so much to spoof.
In the Big 3 sketch, the CEOs tell Congress that they drove down in a car
(gasp) and were SHOCKED to find that gas was 2 dollars, "we kid you not"
they added, surprised at the unbelievably high price.
Perfect, summarizes how out of touch they are. *In one blow.

(I can't find the youtube of it)

mk5000

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Perhaps they are so out of touch as those who live in gated
communities. They have helicopters and jets to go around, so who cares
about the danger SUVs pose to others or bike facilites. And then
Obama, who's supposed to fix things, is only thinking about how to
save the dinosaur. He can't do anything radical, right?

Let me tell you one neat solution, BRING EVERY MODEL AMERICAN
COMPANIES DESIGN FOR EUROPE (or where they have stocks like Opel and
Ford) and produce them here, stick shift and all. Those who can't
drive, let them RIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION or RIDE A BIKE.

But that would be too much of a revolution...

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/vehic...brandCode=9 H

Neat, huh?

ComandanteBanana wrote:
(I'm deleting one group because I can't do more than 5)

Since you've been asked more than once by more than one person in
uk.rec.cycling not to cross-post your not-particularly UK relevant tosh
there, why not delete that one from your list?

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On Nov 24, 8:23*pm, "marika" wrote:
"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message

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Yes, the jungle is scary.

I'm glad you were able to respond with specific points. I'm always a bit
uncomfortable forwarding any opinion articles on such debacles (and I try to
forward about an equal number from both parties' point of view), because I
don't really know enough about the legislative process to know how these
policies are effected, but I do know that I like to complain about it. It
has become more and more clear, though, as time marches on that it is
usually both parties who've conspired to do the bidding of contributors, at
the expense of the individual citizen. It has also become clear that almost
no propoganda directed against one party, whether by the other, or in the
form of an opinion 'article' is ever entirely true.

mk5000

Again, the metaphor of the jungle is perfect. Both parties are
SURVIVORS of the political jungle, where they only care about their
own re-election.

It can be either Democratic or Republican or Independent so long as he
gets things done. And he can also be gay or whatever.