Optical illusions, continued ...

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?
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"Sandy" wrote:

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?

It probably requires plenty of snake oil to prevent squeaks! ;-)

If those round stays are flexing as much as they claim, that would be
one SCARY bike to ride, IMHO. I can't imagine mounting V-brakes on a
seat stay that could flex enough to move the dropout (axle) "several
mm's". It'd be like riding a bucking broco.

It might be fun to go to a retailer and ask 'em if you could see what
it feels like to flex the dropouts up 3mm though. They might get
suspicious when you show up with a hydraulic press to do it though.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

What's the big deal? Ibis, Merlin, and many others have all used
flexing chainstays for suspension in the past.

I thought it was going to be *good* optical illusion, like this one:
http://forum.bikemag.com/photopost/d...l_illusion.JPG


-Mike

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Mark Hickey a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
"Sandy" wrote:

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?

It probably requires plenty of snake oil to prevent squeaks! ;-)

If those round stays are flexing as much as they claim, that would be
one SCARY bike to ride, IMHO. I can't imagine mounting V-brakes on a
seat stay that could flex enough to move the dropout (axle) "several
mm's". It'd be like riding a bucking broco.

Given your experience with manufacturers, I am surprised you have never
observed flex testing of frames and forks. If you can get a chance,
unlikely as it may be, LOOK has a fork testing apparatus. It holds the
pivot at the crown, and the legs are bent backwards up to a centimeter, for
hundreds of thousands of cycles. Décathlon tours its stores with the frame
flex machine, which twists, akternately, the head tube and the rear
triangle, for as much as a centimeter (so I recall), for hundreds of
thousands of cycles.

It might be fun to go to a retailer and ask 'em if you could see what
it feels like to flex the dropouts up 3mm though. They might get
suspicious when you show up with a hydraulic press to do it though.

And that's exactly the kind of test bed they use.

Two manufacturers of top pro equipment. It's a shame they don't know what
they're doing as well as you do. Maybe you could write to them and advise
....
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http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?
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I offer this: "Merida" is the most unfortunate bike name since "Scattante."

Sandy Broque writes:

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?

The above is guaranteed 100% free of sarcasm, denigration, snotty
remarks, indifference, platitudes, fuming demands that "you do the
math", conceited visions of a better world on wheels according to
[insert NAME here].

Rather than post bland disclaimers about oddly constructed sentences,
try asking a straight forward question without gratuitous adjectives.

The web page was not reasonably edited for English "flat-sping" or for
technical accuracy. The "rear triangle" of the bicycle frame shown is
like those of most conventional frames in that it is a tetrahedron,
the most rigid structural space frame imaginable, supporting only
tension and compression. For this reason these tubes can be as
slender as they are in classic steel frames. The forces haven't
changed, only the frame materials have.

The flexing forces indicated in the web page are imaginary as are the
text contentions.

Jobst Brandt

Dans le message de ,
a
réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
Sandy Broque writes:

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?

The above is guaranteed 100% free of sarcasm, denigration, snotty
remarks, indifference, platitudes, fuming demands that "you do the
math", conceited visions of a better world on wheels according to
[insert NAME here].

Rather than post bland disclaimers about oddly constructed sentences,
try asking a straight forward question without gratuitous adjectives.

The web page was not reasonably edited for English "flat-sping" or for
technical accuracy. The "rear triangle" of the bicycle frame shown is
like those of most conventional frames in that it is a tetrahedron,
the most rigid structural space frame imaginable, supporting only
tension and compression. For this reason these tubes can be as
slender as they are in classic steel frames. The forces haven't
changed, only the frame materials have.

The flexing forces indicated in the web page are imaginary as are the
text contentions.

You cut my name and forgot to put in yours. Both are forgiven. There was
no disclaimer - you must still have difficulty reading. Also forgiven.

And you don't know the answer, anyway. You haven't given it any thought.
They have. But don't let that disturb your view of the world as it used to
be and won't ever be again. Why not ask Merida what they mean - perhaps
they would answer your less than arrogant questions.
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utilisés ou rapprochés d'une situation réelle existant ou ayant
existée

Dans le message de ,
a
réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
Sandy Broque writes:

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?

The above is guaranteed 100% free of sarcasm, denigration, snotty
remarks, indifference, platitudes, fuming demands that "you do the
math", conceited visions of a better world on wheels according to
[insert NAME here].

Rather than post bland disclaimers about oddly constructed sentences,
try asking a straight forward question without gratuitous adjectives.

The web page was not reasonably edited for English "flat-sping" or for
technical accuracy. The "rear triangle" of the bicycle frame shown is
like those of most conventional frames in that it is a tetrahedron,
the most rigid structural space frame imaginable, supporting only
tension and compression. For this reason these tubes can be as
slender as they are in classic steel frames. The forces haven't
changed, only the frame materials have.

The flexing forces indicated in the web page are imaginary as are the
text contentions.

You cut my name and forgot to put in yours. Both are forgiven. There was
no disclaimer - you must still have difficulty reading. Also forgiven.

And you don't know the answer, anyway. You haven't given it any thought.
They have. But don't let that disturb your view of the world as it used to
be and won't ever be again. Why not ask Merida what they mean - perhaps
they would answer your less than arrogant questions.
--
Les faits relatés ici ne sont que pure fiction, et ne sauraient être
utilisés ou rapprochés d'une situation réelle existant ou ayant
existée

In article .com,
Mike Reed wrote:

What's the big deal? Ibis, Merlin, and many others have all used
flexing chainstays for suspension in the past.

I thought it was going to be *good* optical illusion, like this one:
http://forum.bikemag.com/photopost/d...l_illusion.JPG



I still don't see the boat.

Luke

On 13 Mar 2006 18:43:21 GMT, wrote:

Sandy Broque writes:

http://www.merida.com/s0_global/main...roup1=flexstay

Now what exactly could someone offer in commentary ?

The above is guaranteed 100% free of sarcasm, denigration, snotty
remarks, indifference, platitudes, fuming demands that "you do the
math", conceited visions of a better world on wheels according to
[insert NAME here].

Rather than post bland disclaimers about oddly constructed sentences,
try asking a straight forward question without gratuitous adjectives.

The web page was not reasonably edited for English "flat-sping" or for
technical accuracy. The "rear triangle" of the bicycle frame shown is
like those of most conventional frames in that it is a tetrahedron,
the most rigid structural space frame imaginable, supporting only
tension and compression. For this reason these tubes can be as
slender as they are in classic steel frames. The forces haven't
changed, only the frame materials have.

The flexing forces indicated in the web page are imaginary as are the
text contentions.

Looking at the photo, it appears that they may have joined the
chainstays to the dropouts with a pivot joint. I suppose they may be
expecting that the dropout will thereby be able to couple some force
into the seat stay by rotation at the joint. To me, if this has any
actual effect at all, it is a bug, not a feature.
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Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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