King Cage - Bottle Cage Failures

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:25:28 -0600, Carl Sundquist
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On Feb 25, 7:33 pm, Steve Sr. wrote:
Hello,

A while back I put 2 King Cage (www.kingcage.com) stainless steel
watter bottle cages on my regular road bike. About a month ago on a
ride the seat tube cage broke at the bottom mounting bracket weld. Now
inspecting the other cage it is about to fail as well in the same
manner. Looks like metal fatigue.

Have any of you seen this before? Other than the durability issue
these seem to be nice cages.

Are there any other stainless steel cages that are more durable?

Thanks,

Steve

Dear Steve,

Aluminum, failures at the weld after ~200 km:

http://www.m-gineering.nl/crack.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

That's a completely different situation: cheap Chinese/Taiwanese
product, different material

Dear Carl,

Someone has defaced my copy of "The Reverse of the Medal," where the
Royal Navy officers, Jack and Mowett, explain to the surgeon and his
clerical assistant, Stephen and Martin, the difference between
men-of-war and privateers:

"But is not a water-bottle-holder a bottle-cage?" asked Stephen.

Jack and Mowett pursed their lips and looked disapproving. "Why," said
Jack after a moment, "I suppose strictly speaking you could call them
bottle-cages, aluminum bottle-cages; but no one ever does."

"Some say bidons," observed Mowett. "It sounds a little better."

"I know nothing whatsoever about water-bottle-holders," said Martin.

"Why," said Jack, "they are metal frames made out of aluminum in the
Far East. They can be used to hold bottles filled with water by riders
who don't appreciate the advantages of a bottle-cage. They often work
well, but cannot compare with a steel bottle-cage."

"So it is very much like a bottle-cage altogether, except that it is
made out of aluminum?"

"Oh, no," said Jack. "It is quite different."

"It is not at all the same," said Mowett.

"I have often heard water-bottle-holders referred to with strong
reprobation," remarked Stephen. "As, 'Aluminum dog of a
water-bottle-holder, go your ways.' It is certainly a term of
reproach."

"Forgive me if I am obtuse," said Martin, "but if both steel and
aluminum frames can hold water containers, I cannot see the
distinction."

"Oh, it is not at all the same," said Jack.

"No, no," said Mowett. "It is quite different."

"You are to consider, my dear sir," said Stephen, "that the
water-bottle-holder is merely concerned with carrying water. Whereas
the bottle-cage is chiefly concerned with weight and wind drag and
their bottles are often flung aside near the finish line."

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Carl,
To quote a posting you directed at me:
Begin quoted text:

I couldn't think of kindly way to put that, so I'll try to reassure
you a little.


Vitamin C prevents scurvy, so just drink some citrus juice, right?
Limes, lemons, what's the difference?


"By the 1850's, it was deemed preferable to give Admiralty money to
English gentlemen growing limes in the West Indies rather than to
foreign lemon-growers in the Mediterranean. This decision was a
disaster; the supposedly similar fruits in fact retained dramatically
different amounts of vitamin-C, and scurvy returned with a vengeance.
Ships that relied on lime-juice and still suffered from severe scurvy
were all the evidence that was required to damn Lind's
recommendations."
http://www.historyscotland.com/featu...wasalemon.html


The same page points out that an 1850 British polar expedition drank
lemon juice and suffered no scurvy.


But in 1875 another British polar expedition drank lime juice instead
of lemon juice and suffered from scurvy.


In other words, it's tempting to think that two things are alike,
measure one, and make conclusions about the other.



End quoted text

Kerry

On Feb 25, 10:26*pm, jim beam wrote:
LF wrote:
On Feb 25, 9:33 pm, Steve Sr. wrote:
Hello,

A while back I put 2 King Cage (www.kingcage.com) stainless steel
watter bottle cages on my regular road bike. About a month ago on a
ride the seat tube cage broke at the bottom mounting bracket weld. Now
inspecting the other cage it is about to fail as well in the same
manner. snip

Did you email (no affiliation) kingcage yet? *These are handmade, and
I'll bet you a nickel that the manufacturer will stand behind them.
I've had a pair for about 5 years. *Work great.
Have you tried their titanium tire levers? *The greatest -- they work
exceptionally well on tight tires.

Best,
Larry

well, /my/ king cages were never quite straight. *if the op's were
manufactured with the same attention to detail, i'm not sure having the
manufacturer replace them with more of the same is going to do much long
term good.

otoh, sometimes a cheaper option can work well:http://www.performancebike..com/shop...81&subcategory...

these [mtb] cages are wider diameter tube and therefore stronger than
typical road designs.- Hide quoted text -

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I have the Performance stainless MTB cages on all of my road bikes.
No complaints in many thousands of miles. You can usually get them
two for $12 or so.

jim beam wrote:
otoh, sometimes a cheaper option can work well:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4342

I've been using the road models for ~40k miles... perfect.

wrote:

I have the Performance stainless MTB cages on all of my road bikes.
No complaints in many thousands of miles. You can usually get them
two for $12 or so.

Yes, those are great cages at a good price. At that price there's no
reason to be using aluminum cages with all their problems.

On Feb 25, 9:33*pm, Steve Sr. wrote:
Hello,

A while back I put 2 King Cage (www.kingcage.com) stainless steel
watter bottle cages on my regular road bike. About a month ago on a
ride the seat tube cage broke at the bottom mounting bracket weld. Now
inspecting the other cage it is about to fail as well in the same
manner. Looks like metal fatigue.

Have any of you seen this before? Other than the durability issue
these seem to be nice cages.

Are there any other stainless steel cages that are more durable?

Thanks,

Steve

****can those King cages and get yerself summa thoze Nitto "R" cages
that are shaped like an hourglass. I'll bet that one of those gems
has never failed in real-life. Sure, they're pricey compared to other
non-CFRP cages but there prolly ain't a more beautiful and functional
piece of bike crap in the whole world. Plus which, they really aren't
that expensive compared to the CFRP ones that most idiots buy today.

wrote:

****can those King cages and get yerself summa thoze Nitto "R" cages
that are shaped like an hourglass. I'll bet that one of those gems
has never failed in real-life. Sure, they're pricey compared to other
non-CFRP cages but there prolly ain't a more beautiful and functional
piece of bike crap in the whole world. Plus which, they really aren't
that expensive compared to the CFRP ones that most idiots buy today.

I think that anyone that spends $50 on a Nitto cage is as equally
idiotic as someone that buys a carbon fiber cage.

Actually there are some reasons to buy a non-metal cage, but an
injection molded fiberglas reinforced nylon cage is sufficient if you
want to carry something like a steel vacuum bottle or steel vacuum
commuter cup. The Profile Kage from Profile Design costs $3.49 at
PricePoint, "http://tinyurl.com/profilekage".

They also have a stainless steel cage,
"http://tinyurl.com/settestainlesscage"

You know that there is no recession as long as people are buying $50
water bottle cages.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:29:31 -0800 (PST), Ron Ruff
wrote:

jim beam wrote:
otoh, sometimes a cheaper option can work well:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4342

I've been using the road models for ~40k miles... perfect.

Good info.

I've got the King Steel cages which are great -- that one from PC
looks good too.

SMS aka Steven M. Scharf wrote:
wrote:

****can those King cages and get yerself summa thoze Nitto "R" cages
that are shaped like an hourglass. I'll bet that one of those gems
has never failed in real-life. Sure, they're pricey compared to other
non-CFRP cages but there prolly ain't a more beautiful and functional
piece of bike crap in the whole world. Plus which, they really aren't
that expensive compared to the CFRP ones that most idiots buy today.

I think that anyone that spends $50 on a Nitto cage is as equally
idiotic as someone that buys a carbon fiber cage.

Actually there are some reasons to buy a non-metal cage, but an
injection molded fiberglas reinforced nylon cage is sufficient if you
want to carry something like a steel vacuum bottle or steel vacuum
commuter cup. The Profile Kage from Profile Design costs $3.49 at
PricePoint, "http://tinyurl.com/profilekage".

They also have a stainless steel cage,
"http://tinyurl.com/settestainlesscage"

You know that there is no recession as long as people are buying $50
water bottle cages.

What is the strongest cage on the market?

When I lay my lowracer down on the non drive side, it rests on the cage,
so I tend to break them frequently.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

Tom Sherman wrote:

What is the strongest cage on the market?

Unknown. Based on looking at the construction quality, I'd say the Forte
Performance Terra Lite Stainless MTB Cage is one of the strongest.
Better design than the King Cages in terms of how the mounting plate is
welded to the tubing.

When I lay my lowracer down on the non drive side, it rests on the cage,
so I tend to break them frequently.

The solution isn't a stronger cage, which will transfer the force to the
braze-ons and damage the frame, especially if it's an aluminum frame
with Rivnuts.

I'd buy a set of
"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB=%273242-00%27"
and mount them snug, but not so tight that they can't rotate around the
tube (assuming it's round tubing!).

I use these on one of my folding bikes where it's necessary to rotate
the cage out the way when folding the bike.

Tom Sherman wrote:
SMS aka Steven M. Scharf wrote:
wrote:

****can those King cages and get yerself summa thoze Nitto "R" cages
that are shaped like an hourglass. I'll bet that one of those gems
has never failed in real-life. Sure, they're pricey compared to other
non-CFRP cages but there prolly ain't a more beautiful and functional
piece of bike crap in the whole world. Plus which, they really aren't
that expensive compared to the CFRP ones that most idiots buy today.

I think that anyone that spends $50 on a Nitto cage is as equally
idiotic as someone that buys a carbon fiber cage.

Actually there are some reasons to buy a non-metal cage, but an
injection molded fiberglas reinforced nylon cage is sufficient if you
want to carry something like a steel vacuum bottle or steel vacuum
commuter cup. The Profile Kage from Profile Design costs $3.49 at
PricePoint, "http://tinyurl.com/profilekage".

They also have a stainless steel cage,
"http://tinyurl.com/settestainlesscage"

You know that there is no recession as long as people are buying $50
water bottle cages.

What is the strongest cage on the market?

When I lay my lowracer down on the non drive side, it rests on the cage,
so I tend to break them frequently.


Where is ShelBroCo when you need them?