A good time for 10km TT?

Ron Ruff wrote:
Donald Munro wrote:
I'd be very surprised if there are any pros (apart from crit pro) only
doing 10 hours a week.

Yes... pros who don't do long road races or stage races. Most US races
are crits.




Dumbass -


Jesus, do you ever have your head up your ass.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Ron Ruff wrote:

BTW, Kunich is wrong about all that aero stuff not making a
difference... it isn't just for decoration.

Just like that 11 tooth huh?

The fact is that aero stuff and TT bikes make almost no contribution to
a person unless they're already averaging over 25 mph.

In ANY case, a person should be setting records for his area without
Aero stuff before he starts using it.

Donald Munro wrote:
I'd be very surprised if there are any pros (apart from crit pro) only
doing 10 hours a week.

Ron Ruff wrote:
Yes... pros who don't do long road races or stage races. Most US races
are crits.

Dunno how long your criteriums are but I've done 80-100km flat races and
criteriums in strong cross winds where I've needed all the endurance I had
just to stay in the bunch and contest for a place in the echelon.

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:55:12 +0200, Donald Munro
wrote:

joseph.santaniello wrote:
I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups.

Note to rbr: We really need to work harder at becoming less civil (ised).
Is there any dope that we can take that will help us improve ?

Grape preparation.

Ron

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:31:06 -0700, "Matt C" wrote:

I believe prostitutes prefer cold hard cash, but if you've
found one that trades a good time for a tt, more power
to ya.

Ten Dollars, same as in town.



wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi All,

Now that I know my time trial course is flat, I'd like to see how the
local riders stack up to others around the world.

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

I don't have much else to compare because our road races are all rather
hilly I'm off the back (at 100kg+) and thus never get a clear picture
of where I stand. At least not any clearer than off-the-back somewhere!

Thanks,

Joseph

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:03:13 -0700, "Robert Chung" wrote:

For a good time, perhaps you should call Jenny. I understand she can be
reached at 867-5309.


I tried to call but lost my nerve.

Ron

Tom Kunich says...

Mad Dog wrote:

unlike Tom, I recommend you to absolutely, positively get yourself a
full-on TT bike. ****, if I went out and laid down the big bucks for
a new ride, I'm damn sure I'd kick the **** outta my PR.

I've done this on a TT bike and on a normal bike and SURPISE! a normal
bike is faster. At speeds below 25 mph a TT bike adds almost nothing to
your speed. The difference in drag is almost indetectable and TT bikes
are generally heavier and accelerate slower.

Moreover, unless you spend countless hours on a TT bike the position is
foreign enough that you put out less power in that position.

First off, Tom, you apparently missed the humor. What I was getting at is that
when a person gets into racing and then goes out and dumps the big bucks, he or
she typically WILL go faster - regardless of how much they have to suffer to do
it. Nobody knows how much pain has been paid to justify new bike and parts
purchases.

Funny you toss up the 25mph qualifier. I don't think I'd agree that there is a
magical speed threshold where all the sudden the aero advantage pays off. One
of the regulars got a rear disc wheel back in the mid-80s and let the rest of us
try it over the course of a season. Flat, 10 mile course. Everyone that tried
it dropped 1 to 3 minutes off of their typical times, PRs were set, etc. And
some of these riders couldn't buy a 21mph ride on their own bike wheels.

Check out the specs - TT bikes are getting much lighter these days. In the
past, there were some real bricks out there and on a hilly course they could be
a detriment. But REMEMBER!!! The OP was talking about a flat course. And
regarding your TT positon comments - when I first moved to extended bars for
TTing, I saw immediate gains. Over time, I continued to adjust the position on
the bike and got additional speed gains. So anyone buying a TT-specific bike
should use their existing bike as a starting point, then tweak position over
time. An excessively fast change in body position is asking for trouble. You
should know that, Tom. And yes, I've seen plenty of people at the races get
dusted by people with lesser bikes, road bikes with clip-on bars, etc. And I've
seen plenty of full on bikes win all classes. It's been a while since I've seen
a lightly modded road bike win Pro1/2.

Tom Kunich wrote:
"ronaldo_jeremiah" wrote in message
oups.com...

DO NOT use a TT bike since those guys are riding well below the speed
at which a TT bike would make any significant contribution. You'd be
able to get the same boost simply by riding with your hands next to the
stem and you head as far down as you can get it.

What is the speed at which a TT bike makes a significant contribution?
Enlighten us.

For you a jet engine wouldn't make a significant contribution.

Could you tell us more about jet engines? Which are the best ones? I
have no doubt you are an expert on the subject, just as you are on
cycling, helmets, politics, motorcycle racing, aerodynamics,
chemistry... did I leave anything out?

-RJ

Robert Chung wrote:

For a good time, perhaps you should call Jenny. I understand she can be
reached at 867-5309.

Does she do 20K and 40K as well ?

Donald Munro wrote:
Dunno how long your criteriums are but I've done 80-100km flat races and
criteriums in strong cross winds where I've needed all the endurance I had
just to stay in the bunch and contest for a place in the echelon.

Ron Ruff wrote:
100km is endurance... but actually even 10km is endurance, ie a mostly
aerobic exercise. Enduring a 10km would also be difficult if you spent
a significant portion of the race above the power level that you could
sustain for that distance. The question is... would you be better off
increasing your threshold for intense efforts, or increasing your
ability to ride long distances?

Long rides (more than 4 hours) do add to your ability to handle intense
efforts, presumably by improving capilirization. Long rides are more than
the sum of their parts ie one 5 hour ride is worth much more than two 2
1/2 hour rides. Until you've actually done several months worth of at
least one such long ride a week you won't understand the benefits.

The theory is that greater gains in performance
can be had by focusing on intensity rather than long rides... and the
higher the intensity, the lower the total duration will be. 10hrs a
week is optimum... for some people at least.

To much intensity can result in not doing enough intensity. If you try
ride hard every day you won't be able to ride hard enough when it matters.