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A good time for 10km TT?
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:50:26 +1200, Stu Fleming wrote:
Dammit, I can so too spell non-sequitur. But why hyphenate it? -- E. Dronkert |
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Ron Ruff wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: No, I'm the arbitor of what I think to be common sense. I do not believe that LeMond won the Tour de France because he had aero bars. He said that later in the wind tunnel there was almost no difference between his drag with and without the bars. Sure... I bet there was no difference. That's just BS to silence the critics. Lemond also had an aero helmet and Fignon was bare headed. I'm going from memory, but didn't Fignon have a hair-net? Even worse than a bare head. I can play that final TT on DVD and there's LeMond riding smoothly, keeping a perfectly good position on the bike. Then there's Fignon jumping and bobbing right from the start. It was plain that Laurent was having a very bad day and LeMond a perfect day and yet everything was pinned on the aero bars. Fignon had such a bad day that he got 3rd in that TT... I remember watching him standing to try to sprint his way past those 2-3 seconds. He did a fast TT showing is sure wasn't a bad day, but losing 58 seconds to Greg was huge. If I recall, Greg even fell in a cobble-stone corner and switched bikes! (Or was that some other time?) Joseph |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On 13 Jun 2006 00:24:30 -0700, wrote: Ron Ruff wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: No, I'm the arbitor of what I think to be common sense. I do not believe that LeMond won the Tour de France because he had aero bars. He said that later in the wind tunnel there was almost no difference between his drag with and without the bars. Sure... I bet there was no difference. That's just BS to silence the critics. Lemond also had an aero helmet and Fignon was bare headed. I'm going from memory, but didn't Fignon have a hair-net? No. Did Greg wipe out in a cobbled corner, or was that also my memory playing tricks on me? Joseph |
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:50:26 +1200, Stu Fleming wrote: Dammit, I can so too spell non-sequitur. But why hyphenate it? Good-qoestion. Andy Coggan |
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Ron Ruff wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: No, I'm the arbitor of what I think to be common sense. I do not believe that LeMond won the Tour de France because he had aero bars. He said that later in the wind tunnel there was almost no difference between his drag with and without the bars. Sure... I bet there was no difference. That's just BS to silence the critics. Lemond also had an aero helmet and Fignon was bare headed. Gee, remember Oscar Savilla beating Lance? I can play that final TT on DVD and there's LeMond riding smoothly, keeping a perfectly good position on the bike. Then there's Fignon jumping and bobbing right from the start. It was plain that Laurent was having a very bad day and LeMond a perfect day and yet everything was pinned on the aero bars. Fignon had such a bad day that he got 3rd in that TT... OK, he had a great day. That's why he lost to LeMond. Oh, I keep forgetting that Oscar rode faster than Lance because Lance had that damn Aero helmet. Wait, it was the aero bars that won LeMond's Tour and not Fignon bobbing up and down and throwing the bike back and forth never able to get on top of the gear he had. If aero doesn't matter, then why are the two different UCI hour records separated by more than 6.5km/hr? That's a huge amount... And streamlined recumbents hold the record of 80.55 mph. That's 262% of the UCI new rules record. |
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Robert Chung wrote:
Hey Andy: Whatever happened to that Rotor test you were doing? I put them on one of my two road bikes, and alternated between for about a month. That was sufficient that I could go back and forth between the two types of cranks and have it only feel "funny" for the first few pedal strokes. I then did a series of incremental exercise tests on the Velodyne at different rates of power increase with each crank, so that I could calculate my critical power and anaerobic work capacity using that iteration of the Monod model. The result, not all that surprisingly, was absolutely zero difference in performance ability. Andy Coggan |
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Robert Chung wrote: Hey Andy: Whatever happened to that Rotor test you were doing? I put them on one of my two road bikes, and alternated between for about a month. That was sufficient that I could go back and forth between the two types of cranks and have it only feel "funny" for the first few pedal strokes. I then did a series of incremental exercise tests on the Velodyne at different rates of power increase with each crank, so that I could calculate my critical power and anaerobic work capacity using that iteration of the Monod model. The result, not all that surprisingly, was absolutely zero difference in performance ability. Andy Coggan Too analytical. Didn't the rotor feel better? -- Bill Asher |
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William Asher wrote:
Too analytical. Not if you're the CSO. Didn't the rotor feel better? I don't know if I'd say that. I will say, however, that I found that *in normal training* the Rotor cranks seemed to encourage me to keep mashing a gear up and over a hill, versus downshifting as I would normally do. The end result was a faster ride, but at an increased cost (i.e., higher average power). As I indicated before, however, maximum effort tests (n=3 per crank) revealed no difference. Andy Coggan |
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