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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
"John Rees" wrote in message . com... FootBall 'Super Bowl' decided to have the usual commentators, plus bring in someone like, Martha Stewart or Barbara Walters? " Can you say Leslie Visser? |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
Time Cop wrote:
It's only the biggest bicycle race in the world and I don't know of any reputable television network that would put a neophyte like that on camera when its reputation is on the line. OLN can do better - especially since it already has Phil and Paul. She's obviously not being cast as an expert. She's there as an attractive, enthusiastic newby who acts as a foil for the knowledgeable commentators, asking the mostly dumb questions that such people ask, and providing a little comic relief. Unlike her predecessors on OLN, Karsten Yellow Hair and Bob Varsha, she seems to know her limitations quite well and refrains from posing as an instant expert and doesn't take herself too seriuosly. Consequently, also unlike her predecessors, she seems to be not just tolerated, but genuinely liked by the OLN boys. (Bobke positively melts.) I also suspect that she's been cast by OLN as someone newbys and non cyclist significant others can identify with (or lust after) when they are dragged through 2 hours of coverage every day by their fanatical cycle junkies. That's why OLN has that other babe touring all the picturesque sites. It's hard to fill two hours on a flat stage, even with Phil's motor mouth. If OLN can build their demographic beyond the dregs you find in RBR without straying too far from the core sport, they just might keep doing this for years to come - and they still are miles ahead of that mix of garbage CBS pumps out every Sunday. OK by me, Zeno |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
Like it or not she represents a HUGE portion of the US population and
may actually connect with them more than us who know that she hasn't a clue. OLN has to be trying to use the pre-race show to attract additional viewers. She can ask the questions that that Bob, Phil, and Paul would look stupid asking, which helps put the entire race into context for people who know nothing about cycling and may be turning it on for the first time. If newbies were to turn on the pre-race show now it might connect to them and generate more interest in bicycle racing and potentially cycling as a hobby/sport. DON'T GET ME WRONG - I am not advocating that it is working, but isn't worth a shot to try? Maybe we get a few more considerate drivers out it - wouldn't that be worthwhile? If we don't, at least she is much more attractive to watch than Bob's gap tooth grin. Corey "KBH" wrote in message et... She's not just a cycling newbie, she's just plain bad - acts like a teenager. The guys the past few years didn't know squat about cycling, but they were professional - introducing each segment in a businesslike manner - not commenting how something is "awesome!". "Jamce1" wrote in message ... why do you give a ****? she is good to look at, and she does not do "play by play" so why does it matter? what gives with all of the irritation? chris Subject: Phil on Kirsten Gumm From: (John Henderson) Date: 7/10/03 1:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Phil Liggett, telling us what we already suspected: "Kirsten Gumm, who presents our preview show, had never seen a cycle race before. She loves the Tour and has a great feel for it already with her enthusiasm. It is so hard to come in cold, but I hope you think as I do." From tdf.olntv.com John Henderson, New York City, USA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Let's roll!" -- Todd Beamer, 9/11/01 "After five and weekends" -- 711th SOS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
I'm just glad she unbuttoned her shirt for the second half hour. WHO LET THE
DOGS OUT! WHOOF! WOOF WHHOOOOFFF! Unleash the lions! |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
I also suspect that she's been cast by OLN as someone newbys and non cyclist significant others can identify with (or lust after) when they are dragged through 2 hours of coverage every day by their fanatical cycle junkies. That's why OLN has that other babe touring all the picturesque sites. It's hard to fill two hours on a flat stage, even with Phil's motor mouth. If OLN can build their demographic beyond the dregs you find in RBR without straying too far from the core sport, they just might keep doing this for years to come - and they still are miles ahead of that mix of garbage CBS pumps out every Sunday. Well said. |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
Too often, in American broadcasting, it seems they think it's OK to bring in
some neophyte to cover the event. If it isn't a big three sport, they lump the sport (whatever it happens to be) as one of those 'other' sports.. I think in this case it's quite justified since a large portion of the fans are attracted to the coverage because they heard about that Lance guy who had cancer. Football, basketball, baseball etc. are pretty straightforward to follow (ball over line/in basket good) and most Americans have played or watched it before. 99% of americans haven't seen a bike race or ever raced a bike, so they need someone up there who's dumber than they are. It helps them identify. |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
zeno wrote in message ...
Time Cop wrote: It's only the biggest bicycle race in the world and I don't know of any reputable television network that would put a neophyte like that on camera when its reputation is on the line. OLN can do better - especially since it already has Phil and Paul. She's obviously not being cast as an expert. She's there as an attractive, enthusiastic newby who acts as a foil for the knowledgeable commentators, asking the mostly dumb questions that such people ask, and providing a little comic relief. Unlike her predecessors on OLN, Karsten Yellow Hair and Bob Varsha, she seems to know her limitations quite well and refrains from posing as an instant expert and doesn't take herself too seriuosly. Consequently, also unlike her predecessors, she seems to be not just tolerated, but genuinely liked by the OLN boys. (Bobke positively melts.) I also suspect that she's been cast by OLN as someone newbys and non cyclist significant others can identify with (or lust after) when they are dragged through 2 hours of coverage every day by their fanatical cycle junkies. That's why OLN has that other babe touring all the picturesque sites. It's hard to fill two hours on a flat stage, even with Phil's motor mouth. If OLN can build their demographic beyond the dregs you find in RBR without straying too far from the core sport, they just might keep doing this for years to come - and they still are miles ahead of that mix of garbage CBS pumps out every Sunday. OK by me, Zeno ZENO, You are right on with the CBS comment. But its not her lack of Cycling knowledge that is the problem, its her lack of broadcasting professionalism. How many times do we need her to remind us that she is "Your Host", and now she is referring to Bob Roll as the "co-host". She is evening having a hard time going to break - these are 101 broadcasting skills. I wish they would get that girl from the RUnning with the Bulls - same cycling experience but much more professional. |
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Phil on Kirsten Gumm
James Cagney wrote: zeno wrote in message ... Time Cop wrote: OLN can do better - especially since it already has Phil and Paul. She's obviously not being cast as an expert. She's there as an attractive, enthusiastic newby who acts as a foil for the knowledgeable commentators, asking the mostly dumb questions that such people ask, and providing a little comic relief. Unlike her predecessors on OLN, Karsten Yellow Hair and Bob Varsha, she seems to know her limitations quite well and refrains from posing as an instant expert and doesn't take herself too seriuosly. Consequently, also unlike her predecessors, she seems to be not just tolerated, but genuinely liked by the OLN boys. (Bobke positively melts.) I also suspect that she's been cast by OLN as someone newbys and non cyclist significant others can identify with (or lust after) when they are dragged through 2 hours of coverage every day by their fanatical cycle junkies. That's why OLN has that other babe touring all the picturesque sites. It's hard to fill two hours on a flat stage, even with Phil's motor mouth. If OLN can build their demographic beyond the dregs you find in RBR without straying too far from the core sport, they just might keep doing this for years to come - and they still are miles ahead of that mix of garbage CBS pumps out every Sunday. OK by me, Zeno ZENO, You are right on with the CBS comment. But its not her lack of Cycling knowledge that is the problem, its her lack of broadcasting professionalism. How many times do we need her to remind us that she is "Your Host", and now she is referring to Bob Roll as the "co-host". She is evening having a hard time going to break - these are 101 broadcasting skills. I wish they would get that girl from the RUnning with the Bulls - same cycling experience but much more professional. The occasional botched segues during the live broadcasts and references to Bobke as a "co host" haven't bothered me at all. I suspect her contract describes her as the host. Broadcast people are funny about titles. BTW, the Running of the Bulls is canned, so there is plenty of time for pick ups to make the "hosts" look good. Adrian Karsten had the slick broadcast lingo down cold, but he was a horse's ass who must have spent all his time off camera looking for the best restaurant in town because it was obvious he wasn't really paying any attention at all to the race. Ms Gum is doing her homework, even if her perspective is that of a naive new comer, which is the role she was hired for. If you want wall to wall broadcast 101 etiquette, I'm afraid that eliminates most of cable sports most of the time. You will still find it on CBS though -- every Sunday. If you want to nit pick about embarrassing performances, how about Phil's constant simpering like an aging drag queen over David Millar? Or his obsession with the activities of even the most obscure British Commonwealth riders at the expense of spending time on the French, Spaniards, or Italians? Or his penchant for ridiculous hyperbole and misidentifying riders? Is that "professional?" And he is on the air most of the time. But all that doesn't really bother me either. These guys aren't perfect, and I have seen the alternative. Plus, I am too busy enjoying the race to care. Zeno |
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