Relaxing watch

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:33:27 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/19/2019 1:00 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:28:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/18/2019 3:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 8:23:36 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Like it or not, art (AKA personal taste) influences bicycle design. And
as with modern houses (some built with Victorian, or farmhouse, or Arts
& Crafts era elements) there are people who prefer aesthetic elements
from earlier times. Ditto for cars, clothing, music, furnishings,
landscaping, etc.

O.K., and further to my last, have you lived in a Victorian house? I have. Most of your time is spent trying not to freeze to death and hoping the knob-and-slob wiring doesn't catch fire. Most have ship-lap or barn siding, rotten sash cords, AWOL sash weights, rotting pipe -- asbestos everything. There was no code, so predictions as to stud dimensions and location have to be done with the Victorian home computer: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...zOq4miH18Ke2&s My favorite part are the additions -- typically a bathroom tacked on with a foundation made from rocks or a room made from a sagging, under-built former sun porch.

Perhaps you misread. I said "... as with MODERN houses ... built with
Victorian elements." [Emphasis added.]

We have some of those around here. They are a pleasant contrast to the
modern American suburban lump where the garage door is the dominant
architectural "feature" of the house. Some are built with large,
friendly and picturesque porches, some with turret rooms, and some with
layouts and shapes that distinguish them from big featureless boxes
attached to garages.

I've been in a couple. They were completely modern and comfortable inside.

On a recent vacation on Amelia Island, Florida, I spent time biking
though a (relatively) new neighborhood, perhaps 15 years old. The layout
of the neighborhood was very friendly to pedestrians and cyclists, and
the houses were varied and charming.

It was a world away from this:
https://marketplace.canva.com/MAC_v0...AC_v0m28b8.jpg
or this:
https://live.staticflickr.com/6028/5...baa5ffb0_b.jpg

The original poster must not be very familiar with buildings :-) Both
my grand parents lived in houses built some years ago. My maternal
grand parents's house was built in the 1700's and had non of the
shortcomings mentioned.

I've lived in turn-of-the-century homes with shiplap or board siding with no sheeting and no wall insulation. They were drafty and expensive to heat. I was the king of sash weight retrieval and reinstallation and replacing endless stops and moldings.

By the way, there is noting inherently wrong with "knob and tube"
wiring.... after all it is still used in external electrical systems.
see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQNQKkvGQL0
for examples of this type of wiring.

A pristine knob and tube system is fine. They are NEVER pristine and often covered in blown-in insulation, which is a total no-no. A lot of older homes had low capacity systems, a small number of circuits and an outlet or two per room handling a zillion modern devices. Fire hazards. https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=7cU5wAhSWGU&t=6s A lot of insurers will not write a house with knob and tube.

Of course, I was not saying an unmodernized Victorian house is some sort
of ideal. I was saying there are people who prefer some of the design
elements of Victorian (or other period) architecture.]

I get that and was responding to John B.

The Victorian is one of my least favorite architectural eras because of room size and lay-out. The were like rabbit warrens. Who needs a parlor? Arts and craft was more flow-through, but I much prefer my house: https://tinyurl.com/y3dznsma Lots of negative ions. I've had to put in cable-stays and engineer some major fixes, but other than that, its great.


And to bring this back to context: Coast Cycles isn't selling Victorian
era bikes with period hardware. He isn't selling replica boneshakers.
He's selling custom bikes, built as his customers desire; and his
customers seem to prefer some classic appearance elements and features.
That should be OK.

Yes, obviously, but you pay the price for repros -- both in terms of purchase price and [some] functionality. Plus, that bike is just too smug. I would like to go back to threaded BBs. They were simple, cheap and reliable.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 2019-12-16 13:41, wrote:
I find this as relaxing to watch as it is to build the bike yourself (sorry about the adds). Warning it takes 15 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Ankrlg18A

just one movie per day ;-)

Lou


A bible on his workbench. Alright! My kind of shop.

It was interesting that he started with the seat post but given that he
uses a bike service stand that made sense.

This bike doesn't look very off-roadable though :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 11:52:48 AM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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There's a trend in our area to install metal roofs with raised seams.
They're claimed to last forever, but it's too early to say whether
that's true or not.

--
- Frank Krygowski

England is still thatching roofs. https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/grant-t...urch-1-6426665

Mike A Schwab writes:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 11:52:48 AM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:

deleted
There's a trend in our area to install metal roofs with raised seams.
They're claimed to last forever, but it's too early to say whether
that's true or not.

--
- Frank Krygowski

England is still thatching roofs.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/grant-t...urch-1-6426665

There's a thatched roof cottage^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmansion not far from where I live:

http://www.thethatchers.com/portfolio.shtml

I've ridden through Lincoln, MA quite a bit, but never caught sight of
it. One of these days I'll figure out where it is.

On 12/19/2019 3:22 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:33:27 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Of course, I was not saying an unmodernized Victorian house is some sort
of ideal. I was saying there are people who prefer some of the design
elements of Victorian (or other period) architecture.]

I get that and was responding to John B.

The Victorian is one of my least favorite architectural eras because of room size and lay-out. The were like rabbit warrens. Who needs a parlor? Arts and craft was more flow-through, but I much prefer my house: https://tinyurl.com/y3dznsma Lots of negative ions. I've had to put in cable-stays and engineer some major fixes, but other than that, its great.

I'm not much of a F.L.Wright fan. (There are other Wrights I think were
great.) Aside from his Jutean arrogance, what does it say if a person's
supposed masterpiece starts falling apart?
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...0/artsfeatures
And to bring this back to context: Coast Cycles isn't selling Victorian
era bikes with period hardware. He isn't selling replica boneshakers.
He's selling custom bikes, built as his customers desire; and his
customers seem to prefer some classic appearance elements and features.
That should be OK.

Yes, obviously, but you pay the price for repros -- both in terms of purchase price and [some] functionality.

Of course, I'm the one pointing out the diminishing returns, and the
microscopic amount of functionality actually "lost."

I would like to go back to threaded BBs. They were simple, cheap and reliable.

Yep.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 12/19/2019 6:07 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Mike A Schwab writes:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 11:52:48 AM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:

deleted
There's a trend in our area to install metal roofs with raised seams.
They're claimed to last forever, but it's too early to say whether
that's true or not.

--
- Frank Krygowski

England is still thatching roofs.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/grant-t...urch-1-6426665

There's a thatched roof cottage^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmansion not far from where I live:

http://www.thethatchers.com/portfolio.shtml

I've ridden through Lincoln, MA quite a bit, but never caught sight of
it. One of these days I'll figure out where it is.

Wow. Looks flammable! Maybe not a good idea in present day California?


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:22:24 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:33:27 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/19/2019 1:00 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:28:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/18/2019 3:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 8:23:36 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Like it or not, art (AKA personal taste) influences bicycle design. And
as with modern houses (some built with Victorian, or farmhouse, or Arts
& Crafts era elements) there are people who prefer aesthetic elements
from earlier times. Ditto for cars, clothing, music, furnishings,
landscaping, etc.

O.K., and further to my last, have you lived in a Victorian house? I have. Most of your time is spent trying not to freeze to death and hoping the knob-and-slob wiring doesn't catch fire. Most have ship-lap or barn siding, rotten sash cords, AWOL sash weights, rotting pipe -- asbestos everything. There was no code, so predictions as to stud dimensions and location have to be done with the Victorian home computer: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...zOq4miH18Ke2&s My favorite part are the additions -- typically a bathroom tacked on with a foundation made from rocks or a room made from a sagging, under-built former sun porch.

Perhaps you misread. I said "... as with MODERN houses ... built with
Victorian elements." [Emphasis added.]

We have some of those around here. They are a pleasant contrast to the
modern American suburban lump where the garage door is the dominant
architectural "feature" of the house. Some are built with large,
friendly and picturesque porches, some with turret rooms, and some with
layouts and shapes that distinguish them from big featureless boxes
attached to garages.

I've been in a couple. They were completely modern and comfortable inside.

On a recent vacation on Amelia Island, Florida, I spent time biking
though a (relatively) new neighborhood, perhaps 15 years old. The layout
of the neighborhood was very friendly to pedestrians and cyclists, and
the houses were varied and charming.

It was a world away from this:
https://marketplace.canva.com/MAC_v0...AC_v0m28b8.jpg
or this:
https://live.staticflickr.com/6028/5...baa5ffb0_b.jpg

The original poster must not be very familiar with buildings :-) Both
my grand parents lived in houses built some years ago. My maternal
grand parents's house was built in the 1700's and had non of the
shortcomings mentioned.

I've lived in turn-of-the-century homes with shiplap or board siding with no sheeting and no wall insulation. They were drafty and expensive to heat. I was the king of sash weight retrieval and reinstallation and replacing endless stops and moldings.

By the way, there is noting inherently wrong with "knob and tube"
wiring.... after all it is still used in external electrical systems.
see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQNQKkvGQL0
for examples of this type of wiring.

A pristine knob and tube system is fine. They are NEVER pristine and often covered in blown-in insulation, which is a total no-no. A lot of older homes had low capacity systems, a small number of circuits and an outlet or two per room handling a zillion modern devices. Fire hazards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cU5wAhSWGU&t=6s A lot of insurers will not write a house with knob and tube.

You are confusing two things. The basic type of electrical system and
the instillation, i.e, number of receptacles. Back in the days when
post and tube systems were in common use a modern house had, lets see,
maybe, if really modern, an electric fridge and an electric washing
machine. then there would be an outlet in the living room for the
radio and of course the lighting.... one 60 watt lamp per room.

Hardly remembered today, but in the evenings people used to gather
around the wood stove and actually carry on conversations. There even
seemed to be a "standardized seating arrangement" with the men around
the stove in the "front room" while the ladies congregated in the
kitchen.

As for blown in insulation, back in the day it was shredded asbestos
which is (or was) a common electrical insulator and in an older house
blowing in asbestos covering for the ceilings could cut your winter
heating costs by half. I well remember when someone in my town tried
it and the next year everybody was doing it.


Of course, I was not saying an unmodernized Victorian house is some sort
of ideal. I was saying there are people who prefer some of the design
elements of Victorian (or other period) architecture.]

I get that and was responding to John B.

The Victorian is one of my least favorite architectural eras because of room size and lay-out. The were like rabbit warrens. Who needs a parlor? Arts and craft was more flow-through, but I much prefer my house: https://tinyurl.com/y3dznsma Lots of negative ions. I've had to put in cable-stays and engineer some major fixes, but other than that, its great.

What? Of course one needed a parlor! Where else would the lady of the
house entertain her guests when they came to call? And a "Front Room"
as it was called. Well, when the Preacher came to call one could
hardly entertain him in the kitchen. And a "Dining Room"? Would you
have your guests sit down to dinner in the kitchen?



And to bring this back to context: Coast Cycles isn't selling Victorian
era bikes with period hardware. He isn't selling replica boneshakers.
He's selling custom bikes, built as his customers desire; and his
customers seem to prefer some classic appearance elements and features.
That should be OK.

Yes, obviously, but you pay the price for repros -- both in terms of purchase price and [some] functionality. Plus, that bike is just too smug. I would like to go back to threaded BBs. They were simple, cheap and reliable.

-- Jay Beattie.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:09:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 7:33:27 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/19/2019 1:00 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:28:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/18/2019 3:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 8:23:36 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Like it or not, art (AKA personal taste) influences bicycle design. And
as with modern houses (some built with Victorian, or farmhouse, or Arts
& Crafts era elements) there are people who prefer aesthetic elements
from earlier times. Ditto for cars, clothing, music, furnishings,
landscaping, etc.

O.K., and further to my last, have you lived in a Victorian house? I have. Most of your time is spent trying not to freeze to death and hoping the knob-and-slob wiring doesn't catch fire. Most have ship-lap or barn siding, rotten sash cords, AWOL sash weights, rotting pipe -- asbestos everything. There was no code, so predictions as to stud dimensions and location have to be done with the Victorian home computer: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...zOq4miH18Ke2&s My favorite part are the additions -- typically a bathroom tacked on with a foundation made from rocks or a room made from a sagging, under-built former sun porch.

Perhaps you misread. I said "... as with MODERN houses ... built with
Victorian elements." [Emphasis added.]

We have some of those around here. They are a pleasant contrast to the
modern American suburban lump where the garage door is the dominant
architectural "feature" of the house. Some are built with large,
friendly and picturesque porches, some with turret rooms, and some with
layouts and shapes that distinguish them from big featureless boxes
attached to garages.

I've been in a couple. They were completely modern and comfortable inside.

On a recent vacation on Amelia Island, Florida, I spent time biking
though a (relatively) new neighborhood, perhaps 15 years old. The layout
of the neighborhood was very friendly to pedestrians and cyclists, and
the houses were varied and charming.

It was a world away from this:
https://marketplace.canva.com/MAC_v0...AC_v0m28b8.jpg
or this:
https://live.staticflickr.com/6028/5...baa5ffb0_b.jpg

The original poster must not be very familiar with buildings :-) Both
my grand parents lived in houses built some years ago. My maternal
grand parents's house was built in the 1700's and had non of the
shortcomings mentioned.

I've lived in turn-of-the-century homes with shiplap or board siding with no sheeting and no wall insulation. They were drafty and expensive to heat. I was the king of sash weight retrieval and reinstallation and replacing endless stops and moldings.

By the way, there is noting inherently wrong with "knob and tube"
wiring.... after all it is still used in external electrical systems.
see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQNQKkvGQL0
for examples of this type of wiring.

A pristine knob and tube system is fine. They are NEVER pristine and often covered in blown-in insulation, which is a total no-no. A lot of older homes had low capacity systems, a small number of circuits and an outlet or two per room handling a zillion modern devices. Fire hazards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cU5wAhSWGU&t=6s A lot of insurers will not write a house with knob and tube.

Of course, I was not saying an unmodernized Victorian house is some sort
of ideal. I was saying there are people who prefer some of the design
elements of Victorian (or other period) architecture.

And to bring this back to context: Coast Cycles isn't selling Victorian
era bikes with period hardware. He isn't selling replica boneshakers.
He's selling custom bikes, built as his customers desire; and his
customers seem to prefer some classic appearance elements and features.
That should be OK.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Of course, it is what it is. We just ridicule it as you ridicule anything beyond , ehhh... fill in the dots.

Lou


Well... It is difficult not to ridicule the ridicules.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:08:21 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/19/2019 11:52 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/19/2019 11:17 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
The Victorian houses I can think of are clapboard (or
brick or stone). Lots of them are covered with vinyl
these days.

I know a guy who moved to North Carolina and built his own
house. He bucked the trends in siding, and used wood
clapboard siding.

A couple years later, Hurrican Hugo devastated wide areas
including his vicinity. His was the only house around that
wasn't stripped of its siding.

One Victorian material that is a huge improvement over its
successors is
the slate roof. In my vicinity there are many of these
well over one
hundred years old, and just as good as new.

There's a trend in our area to install metal roofs with
raised seams. They're claimed to last forever, but it's too
early to say whether that's true or not.


I added a pitched steel one over a crappy flat roof on a
garage in 1994 which has been tight and dry since.
Girlfriend has a 1999 steel roof on her farmhouse but as you
say that's not forever yet. Since prices have dropped so
much they're popular and I've never heard a complaint,
unlike asphalt shingles (You might get as much as 12 years
on a '20-year' asphalt roof but you might not)

Plain old galvanized iron sheeting is a waterproof roofing. Noisy
though and the galvanizing eventually corrodes through. But
replacement should be cheap.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:52:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/19/2019 11:17 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
The Victorian houses I can think of are clapboard (or
brick or stone). Lots of them are covered with vinyl these days.

I know a guy who moved to North Carolina and built his own house. He
bucked the trends in siding, and used wood clapboard siding.

A couple years later, Hurrican Hugo devastated wide areas including his
vicinity. His was the only house around that wasn't stripped of its siding.

One Victorian material that is a huge improvement over its successors is
the slate roof. In my vicinity there are many of these well over one
hundred years old, and just as good as new.

There's a trend in our area to install metal roofs with raised seams.
They're claimed to last forever, but it's too early to say whether
that's true or not.

Depends on the material. The current favorite here seems to be
aluminized steel. We recently had the Bangkok house re-roofed - after
about 30 years - and generally speaking the removed sheeting looked to
be in fair shape.
--
cheers,

John B.