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What's more dangerous?
With the newest round of crashes and Saul's injury I got to thinking,
again, about just how dangerous this sport is. Usually I get to this after doing occurrence reports, nothing like loading friends or someone you were just talking with into a meatwagon, or when someone I know in the region gets hit by a moron in a car. I'm coming to the conclusion that it would be better to watch bike races for the crashes, blood, and gore than auto racing. Seems to me that auto racing crashes are more spectacular, but usually a lot less injurious. If you add in all the riders killed or splatted in training, then I think cycling definitely is much more dangerous than auto racing. Time to stop ragging on Nascar fans for watching cars go in a circle while waiting for a crash, since that seems to cover the Crit circuit pretty well too, except that nobody's really watching. Bill C |
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According to reports, Raisin suffered an epilepsy attack, which could
spell the end of his career when he recovers if they can't control it. As for the danger, I think it's all relative, but the likelihood of crashing and dying seems lower than in NASCAR considering the number of bike crashes there are. I'd consider how more guys weren't killed or permanently injured before the intro of hard shell helmets. I've seen crashes from the 70's that are amazing. One of my worse crashes was relatively low speed at a cross race; probable concussion and bruised/cracked ribs. It just all depends. CH |
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Bill C wrote: With the newest round of crashes and Saul's injury I got to thinking, again, about just how dangerous this sport is. Usually I get to this after doing occurrence reports, nothing like loading friends or someone you were just talking with into a meatwagon, or when someone I know in the region gets hit by a moron in a car. I'm coming to the conclusion that it would be better to watch bike races for the crashes, blood, and gore than auto racing. Seems to me that auto racing crashes are more spectacular, but usually a lot less injurious. If you add in all the riders killed or splatted in training, then I think cycling definitely is much more dangerous than auto racing. Time to stop ragging on Nascar fans for watching cars go in a circle while waiting for a crash, since that seems to cover the Crit circuit pretty well too, except that nobody's really watching. Bill C Time for you ignorant numbnuts to get past the worn out, cliche'd belief that NASCAR fans are waiting for crashes. NASCAR is about so much more than that. You'd probably never understand 'cause you're too busy bad mouthing it to try to understand it. The growing legion of fans understand. Fred |
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wrote in message oups.com... Bill C wrote: With the newest round of crashes and Saul's injury I got to thinking, again, about just how dangerous this sport is. Usually I get to this after doing occurrence reports, nothing like loading friends or someone you were just talking with into a meatwagon, or when someone I know in the region gets hit by a moron in a car. I'm coming to the conclusion that it would be better to watch bike races for the crashes, blood, and gore than auto racing. Seems to me that auto racing crashes are more spectacular, but usually a lot less injurious. If you add in all the riders killed or splatted in training, then I think cycling definitely is much more dangerous than auto racing. Time to stop ragging on Nascar fans for watching cars go in a circle while waiting for a crash, since that seems to cover the Crit circuit pretty well too, except that nobody's really watching. Bill C Time for you ignorant numbnuts to get past the worn out, cliche'd belief that NASCAR fans are waiting for crashes. NASCAR is about so much more than that. You'd probably never understand 'cause you're too busy bad mouthing it to try to understand it. The growing legion of fans understand. Fred Damn right, Fred. http://shanedog.home.mindspring.com/...s/image006.jpg http://www.strangesports.com/images/content/12610.jpg http://www.cabl.com/bar/(bpta3jfcjtdt1umg20rcfpab)/userimg/31696/Nascar%20fan.jpg http://www.hategun.com/blog/images/redneck.jpg http://www.geocities.com/photo_88/dover999/fans1.jpg http://www.nascarmoments.com/persona...S_Oct_2002.jpg http://motorsportsforum.com/photos/d...15bs27-med.jpg |
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Bill C wrote:
wrote: According to reports, Raisin suffered an epilepsy attack, which could spell the end of his career when he recovers if they can't control it. As for the danger, I think it's all relative, but the likelihood of crashing and dying seems lower than in NASCAR ... Here's a link listing most of the fatalities in the last couple of decadesup until 2001 there have been a couple since: http://www2.foxsports.com/obits/earn...ver_deaths.sml They don't seperate drivers killed in training fromm those in races, and I think this is where cycling takes a beating in particular. Maybe it's just because we don't see the reports of auto racers in the lower ranks being injured/killed, but my sense is that there have been more deaths and massive injuries in training and racing for cycling than in auto racing as a whole. This might very well be due to the fact that tons more people race bicycles than cars, but I have found per/capita injury/fatality rates for both sports to compare. The ongoing litany of riders who've been picked off by cars, or crashed in races just gets pretty depressing sometimes. I hope for the best for Saul Raisin. It is a tough and unforgiving sport and we ask our athletes to go out and do it wearing little more than clothing that would be skimpy for even a friendly game of dodgeball. If he did have an epileptic attack, you gotta remember it could have happened anytime (so far as I understand epilepsy, which is not very much). He could have been a civilian driving to the grocery store and gone off the road. NASCAR drivers may not get hurt often in training, but everyday drivers get hurt on the road, just as everyday cyclists do. Racers who spend six hours a day training are at a higher risk of something happening - but so are delivery guys or anyone else whose job puts them in a car all day. Bike racing is moderately dangerous but it doesn't help to get overly fretful. Excuse me for digressing into an anecdote. At my previous job, many people rode bikes to the university. A co-worker of mine (not a racer) worked late, as he often did, and was riding down the long hill home when he apparently dozed off. He went over the bars and did his collarbone. (A couple of months later he was riding again.) Our boss, who is a very smart person but not really interested in any type of sport or exercise activity, felt that this was an example that reinforced her belief that cycling was inherently dangerous and too risky. (It must be said that the grad students were regularly scraping themselves up, so she did have some evidence.) I thought rather that she should be asking why her underlings were working so late that they fell asleep on the way home. And what would have happened if he'd fallen asleep while driving down the hill at 45 mph instead. |
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B. Lafferty wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bill C wrote: With the newest round of crashes and Saul's injury I got to thinking, again, about just how dangerous this sport is. Usually I get to this after doing occurrence reports, nothing like loading friends or someone you were just talking with into a meatwagon, or when someone I know in the region gets hit by a moron in a car. I'm coming to the conclusion that it would be better to watch bike races for the crashes, blood, and gore than auto racing. Seems to me that auto racing crashes are more spectacular, but usually a lot less injurious. If you add in all the riders killed or splatted in training, then I think cycling definitely is much more dangerous than auto racing. Time to stop ragging on Nascar fans for watching cars go in a circle while waiting for a crash, since that seems to cover the Crit circuit pretty well too, except that nobody's really watching. Bill C Time for you ignorant numbnuts to get past the worn out, cliche'd belief that NASCAR fans are waiting for crashes. NASCAR is about so much more than that. You'd probably never understand 'cause you're too busy bad mouthing it to try to understand it. The growing legion of fans understand. Fred Damn right, Fred. http://shanedog.home.mindspring.com/...s/image006.jpg http://www.strangesports.com/images/content/12610.jpg http://www.cabl.com/bar/(bpta3jfcjtdt1umg20rcfpab)/userimg/31696/Nascar%20fan.jpg http://www.hategun.com/blog/images/redneck.jpg http://www.geocities.com/photo_88/dover999/fans1.jpg http://www.nascarmoments.com/persona...S_Oct_2002.jpg http://motorsportsforum.com/photos/d...15bs27-med.jpg ha ha ****in' ha... big deal, you found pictures of rednecks who like NASCAR. The growing fan base of NASCAR is primarily well educated and wealthy, and not necessarily white. The fastest growing demographic is college-educated women in their 20's/30's. They get it, even if you don't. Fred |
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wrote in message oups.com... B. Lafferty wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bill C wrote: With the newest round of crashes and Saul's injury I got to thinking, again, about just how dangerous this sport is. Usually I get to this after doing occurrence reports, nothing like loading friends or someone you were just talking with into a meatwagon, or when someone I know in the region gets hit by a moron in a car. I'm coming to the conclusion that it would be better to watch bike races for the crashes, blood, and gore than auto racing. Seems to me that auto racing crashes are more spectacular, but usually a lot less injurious. If you add in all the riders killed or splatted in training, then I think cycling definitely is much more dangerous than auto racing. Time to stop ragging on Nascar fans for watching cars go in a circle while waiting for a crash, since that seems to cover the Crit circuit pretty well too, except that nobody's really watching. Bill C Time for you ignorant numbnuts to get past the worn out, cliche'd belief that NASCAR fans are waiting for crashes. NASCAR is about so much more than that. You'd probably never understand 'cause you're too busy bad mouthing it to try to understand it. The growing legion of fans understand. Fred Damn right, Fred. http://shanedog.home.mindspring.com/...s/image006.jpg http://www.strangesports.com/images/content/12610.jpg http://www.cabl.com/bar/(bpta3jfcjtdt1umg20rcfpab)/userimg/31696/Nascar%20fan.jpg http://www.hategun.com/blog/images/redneck.jpg http://www.geocities.com/photo_88/dover999/fans1.jpg http://www.nascarmoments.com/persona...S_Oct_2002.jpg http://motorsportsforum.com/photos/d...15bs27-med.jpg ha ha ****in' ha... big deal, you found pictures of rednecks who like NASCAR. The growing fan base of NASCAR is primarily well educated and wealthy, and not necessarily white. The fastest growing demographic is college-educated women in their 20's/30's. They get it, even if you don't. They can have it, Fred. Fred |
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In article .com,
" wrote: NASCAR drivers may not get hurt often in training, but everyday drivers get hurt on the road, just as everyday cyclists do. Racers who spend six hours a day training are at a higher risk of something happening - but so are delivery guys or anyone else whose job puts them in a car all day. Exactly - it's the exposure rate. Bike racing is moderately dangerous but it doesn't help to get overly fretful. Excuse me for digressing into an anecdote. At my previous job, many people rode bikes to the university. A co-worker of mine (not a racer) worked late, as he often did, and was riding down the long hill home when he apparently dozed off. He went over the bars and did his collarbone. (A couple of months later he was riding again.) Our boss, who is a very smart person but not really interested in any type of sport or exercise activity, felt that this was an example that reinforced her belief that cycling was inherently dangerous and too risky. (It must be said that the grad students were regularly scraping themselves up, so she did have some evidence.) I thought rather that she should be asking why her underlings were working so late that they fell asleep on the way home. And what would have happened if he'd fallen asleep while driving down the hill at 45 mph instead. And who else might have ended up as a victim. BTW, I thought that "worked until they were ready to pass out" was SOP for grad students. -- tanx, Howard Grandma Smith said a curious thing Boys must whistle, girls must sing remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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