Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) v. Bacchetta Aero

I seem to remember one or two participant having both a Gold Rush (or Ti
Rush) and Aero. I would like to hear how the bikes compare.

Andy

Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a
Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both are wonderful bikes and cater to similar
philosophies, pertaining to start off speed, stability, over all speed and
climbing. My Aero seems to have a quicker ability to get up to speed than my
GRR Ti and it (Aero) seems to be a better climber on at least the mo-hills
down here in South Florida. Of course my Aero is about 22.5 lbs vs. my GRR
Ti that's 32 lbs w/ fairing and rear aero bag. Both offer stability at
speed, with the Aero probably a tad better, due to the same wheel size.
(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the
wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to the
wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a
fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow through head
winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing
on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference; (OK
Thomas Sherman, are you HAPPY, now that I've admitted that?) but I've never
tried one. Again in my personal opinion, I believe having your body in a
aero position, makes for a MORE efficient speed; aero dynamically speaking,
anyway. The Aero is a lot simpler and quicker to clean up than the GRR Ti, I
guess due to the mono tube vs. a lot of tubing (And Fairing) on the GRR Ti.
My average (Poking around) speeds on the GRR Ti were about 17 - 18 mph,
while on the Aero it's EASILY 20 - 23+ mph. (The Aero just doesn't like to
be ridden SLOW) Although this sounds like I'm completely leaning for the
Aero, I'm still not confidently comfortable with as much recline as I'm in.
You really do give your complete body to the Bacchetta bikes. The ONE thing
that is HELPING me gain MORE confidence, as I continue to put miles on my
Aero, is the ability to be able to place both your feet squarely on the
ground. (A big selling point for Easy Racer Bikes) This is something you can
do on all Bacchetta bikes. I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the
sheer less weight factor, better speed (And being able to maintain it) not
having to contend with a bulky (Not really aero) fairing, different wheel
sizes or tail heavy (Weighty) beach chair syndrome. Mind you, all that I've
spoken is clearly PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and riding preference. Others
experiences may be totally different. I still plan on keeping and enjoying
my GRR Ti, BUT I may take a test ride on a Giro soon... :-0 for alternative
training rides.
EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Pilot)



"Andy" wrote in message
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I seem to remember one or two participant having both a Gold Rush (or Ti
Rush) and Aero. I would like to hear how the bikes compare.

Andy

Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two
different bikes on an equal time basis.
Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.

Sorry EZ, I told you so ....
-))

Gator Bob Siegel

"EZ Biker :-)" wrote

Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a
Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both are wonderful bikes

.....I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the
sheer less weight factor, better speed

Maybe this is what you meant, but to clarify, the issue is frontal
area. A fairing can help you deal with frontal area, but it doesn't
decrease it. I think in the end, the Aero has less frontal area than
the GRR TI and that is why it feels better in the headwinds.

john riley 1 at rogers dot com

"EZ Biker :-\)" wrote in message news:Lr8cb.559159$YN5.383289@sccrnsc01...
[...]
(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the
wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to the
wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a
fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow through head
winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing
on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference; (OK
Thomas Sherman, are you HAPPY, now that I've admitted that?) but I've never
tried one. Again in my personal opinion, I believe having your body in a
aero position, makes for a MORE efficient speed; aero dynamically speaking,
anyway. [...]

THANKS JOHN! YEP, that's what I meant. Since I've been riding my Aero, I've
fallen out of Love for a fairing. I like the just a bike and me feeling.
EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Pilot)


"john riley" wrote in message
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Maybe this is what you meant, but to clarify, the issue is frontal
area. A fairing can help you deal with frontal area, but it doesn't
decrease it. I think in the end, the Aero has less frontal area than
the GRR TI and that is why it feels better in the headwinds.

"EZ Biker :-\)" wrote in message news:Lr8cb.559159$YN5.383289@sccrnsc01...

(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the
wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to the
wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a
fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow through head
winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing
on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference;


EZ, are you sure the fairing isn't on backwards!! Just kidding. Good
luck with the aero. But I'm wondering why everyone is making such a
fuss over the Bacchetta bikes. It seems to me that the Barcroft bikes
appear to be just as good a design if not better. I don't ride either
one so I quess shouldn't comment. Anyone care to comment?

Mike

Mike,
As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO was
one of the first also. I had in the past experimented with fairing vrs no
fairing and it varied from bike to bike.
Why all the interest in the Bacchettas? Their different and brought
to you by a designer that had a hand in the V-REX and the Barcroft designs.
Having experience with both I will say that a properly set up Strada or
Corsa out performs (speed) either of these fine bents. However, I am
comparing different apples due to the front wheel difference. Comparing a
Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota is a fair comparison. IMO the Giro is a
superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase. Its rock solid at
40+ mph downhills. I installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the
jitters on fast downhills.
To date the highest downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is 44.4
MPH and it, like the Giro rock solid.
IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its wheelbase, additionally on the
highracers its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other things.
The AERO when properly set up presents a very small profile to the wind thus
the knife feel that EZ espouches.
Post Isabel ride was 55 mile Saturday, not all that much debris to
dodge.

--
Jude....///Bacchetta AERO
St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland
Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports, Inc
1-800-586-6645
"Mike" wrote in message
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"EZ Biker :-\)" wrote in message
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(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through
the
wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to
the
wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a
fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow through
head
winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand,
pressing
on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference;



EZ, are you sure the fairing isn't on backwards!! Just kidding. Good
luck with the aero. But I'm wondering why everyone is making such a
fuss over the Bacchetta bikes. It seems to me that the Barcroft bikes
appear to be just as good a design if not better. I don't ride either
one so I quess shouldn't comment. Anyone care to comment?

Mike

Gator Bob,

Did you have the same experience with the Ti Rush and the Aero as EZ?

Andy

"Robert Siegel" wrote in message
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Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two
different bikes on an equal time basis.
Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.

Sorry EZ, I told you so ....
-))

Gator Bob Siegel

"EZ Biker :-)" wrote

Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a
Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both are wonderful bikes

....I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the
sheer less weight factor, better speed

"Jude T. McGloin" wrote in message ...
Mike,
As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO was
one of the first also. I had in the past experimented with fairing vrs no
fairing and it varied from bike to bike.
Why all the interest in the Bacchettas? Their different and brought
to you by a designer that had a hand in the V-REX and the Barcroft designs.
Having experience with both I will say that a properly set up Strada or
Corsa out performs (speed) either of these fine bents. However, I am
comparing different apples due to the front wheel difference. Comparing a
Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota is a fair comparison. IMO the Giro is a
superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase. Its rock solid at
40+ mph downhills. I installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the
jitters on fast downhills.
To date the highest downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is 44.4
MPH and it, like the Giro rock solid.IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its wheelbase,

Jude, the Barcroft Virginia GT has a 48 inch wheelbase which is an
inch longer than the Aero.

additionally on the
highracers its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other things.
The AERO when properly set up presents a very small profile to the wind thus
the knife feel that EZ espouches.

I would have thought that the smaller wheel on the Barcroft would have
make it a little more aerodynamic, but maybe not.


Jude....///Bacchetta AERO
St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland
Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports, Inc
1-800-586-6645
Mike

I thought they were close. You were paying attention. Truth be known the
AERO has more of a 46" WB than a 47".

If I remember right, which is sometimes suspect. Rich Pinto's
experements indicate that the larger thinner wheel is more aerodynamic.

I hate to get caught up in all this because it causes me to forget that
its the motor. I'm a reasonably fit 54 yr old and I'm down to my desired
weight of 170 lbs. From 188 the beginning of the year. However, I don't have
near the miles in nor the training I have had in pas years.

Recumbent selection is a hard chore and as a retailer of recumbents I
can say that Bacchetta's have been hot, even for first timers. I ride an
Aero, However, if somthing new and hot appears on the horizion I will get
one. I have given some thought to a LowRacer possibly a Baron or Jester.
From a seeing and being seen point of reference....my internal jury is still
out.
You don't hear much about the P-38 which IMO is a damm fast SWB.
Properly set up and viewed from behind at AOA (angle of attack) of the wind
all you can see is the seat back, quite aerodynamic.


--
Jude....///Bacchetta AERO
St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland
Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports, Inc
1-800-586-6645
"Mike" wrote in message
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"Jude T. McGloin" wrote in message
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Mike,
As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO
was
one of the first also. I had in the past experimented with fairing vrs
no
fairing and it varied from bike to bike.
Why all the interest in the Bacchettas? Their different and
brought
to you by a designer that had a hand in the V-REX and the Barcroft
designs.
Having experience with both I will say that a properly set up Strada or
Corsa out performs (speed) either of these fine bents. However, I am
comparing different apples due to the front wheel difference. Comparing
a
Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota is a fair comparison. IMO the Giro is
a
superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase. Its rock solid
at
40+ mph downhills. I installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the
jitters on fast downhills.
To date the highest downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is
44.4
MPH and it, like the Giro rock solid.IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its
wheelbase,

Jude, the Barcroft Virginia GT has a 48 inch wheelbase which is an
inch longer than the Aero.

additionally on the
highracers its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other
things.
The AERO when properly set up presents a very small profile to the wind
thus
the knife feel that EZ espouches.

I would have thought that the smaller wheel on the Barcroft would have
make it a little more aerodynamic, but maybe not.


Jude....///Bacchetta AERO
St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland
Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports, Inc
1-800-586-6645
Mike