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"Lorenzo L. Love" wrote in message nk.net... snip Someone compared it to a Thunderbird car. But it's just a bicycle. Just a bicycle?? Why, it's got integrated electronics, man! Tell someone how much your recumbent cost and you'll get "That much for JUST a bicycle?" response. Now double or triple the cost for a Bigha. My nicest upright cost a lot more than any of my recumbents did. I can see a parallel with upright manufacturers like Seven Cycles. Price one of those someday and ask yourself how many cyclists would pay that much for a bike that is essentially the very same design and geometry that can be found in any number of less expensive alternatives. Yes, the market's much larger, but Seven has many more competitors than does Bigha. Things like cars can have lots of sex appeal. Not many people in the general public see sex appeal in a bicycle. How many people have gotten laid because he drives a snazzy bicycle? Weeeellll, it _was_ a Pinarello Prince, ya know.... Not many people in the general public see anything special about any recumbent. Greenspeed sold less than 100 units a year for at least their first 5 years. (My GTR was #408 - it was their 2nd model and it was 5+ years since its intro when it was built) It can take a supprisingly small number of sales to keep a start-up afloat, especially if its principals have other income. Might that be the case with Bigha? You seem to be fixated on the fact that Bigha is overpriced . So what? We both have Tour Easys: would you pay $5000+ for a TiRush? No electronics at all on that bike! Same geometry as the TE, 3# less weight, but it's Titanium, man! I wouldn't pay that price, would you? Is it worth 2.5 TEs? 5 Rockets? 1.67 Bighas? Tom Thompson |
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Tom Thompson wrote:
"Lorenzo L. Love" wrote in message nk.net... snip Someone compared it to a Thunderbird car. But it's just a bicycle. Just a bicycle?? Why, it's got integrated electronics, man! Tell someone how much your recumbent cost and you'll get "That much for JUST a bicycle?" response. Now double or triple the cost for a Bigha. My nicest upright cost a lot more than any of my recumbents did. I can see a parallel with upright manufacturers like Seven Cycles. Price one of those someday and ask yourself how many cyclists would pay that much for a bike that is essentially the very same design and geometry that can be found in any number of less expensive alternatives. Yes, the market's much larger, but Seven has many more competitors than does Bigha. Things like cars can have lots of sex appeal. Not many people in the general public see sex appeal in a bicycle. How many people have gotten laid because he drives a snazzy bicycle? Weeeellll, it _was_ a Pinarello Prince, ya know.... Not many people in the general public see anything special about any recumbent. Greenspeed sold less than 100 units a year for at least their first 5 years. (My GTR was #408 - it was their 2nd model and it was 5+ years since its intro when it was built) It can take a supprisingly small number of sales to keep a start-up afloat, especially if its principals have other income. Might that be the case with Bigha? You seem to be fixated on the fact that Bigha is overpriced . So what? We both have Tour Easys: would you pay $5000+ for a TiRush? No electronics at all on that bike! Same geometry as the TE, 3# less weight, but it's Titanium, man! I wouldn't pay that price, would you? Is it worth 2.5 TEs? 5 Rockets? 1.67 Bighas? Tom Thompson No I wouldn't buy a TiRush, I don't think it's worth the money but because it is from the most experienced and respected recumbent manufacturer in the US I can see where others interested in high performance would. But that kind of money for a unseen 50 pound bike from a company run by many of the same people who wrecked BikeE? That's incomprehensible. That kind of money for ANY bicycle from any manufacturer is shocking to the non-biking public, the same public Bigha is marketing to. Many (most?) recumbent makers start as tiny one or two person operations on a shoestring budget. Easy Racer started in a converted chicken coop. Check Bigha's webpage. They have 14 people listed. They claim $500,000.00 R & D costs on the seat alone. Acres is going to need very deep pockets to keep the company afloat. Unless the whole thing is designed to fail. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove "We recognize, however dimly, that greater efficiency, ease, and security may come at a substantial price in freedom, that law and order can be a doublethink version of oppression, that individual liberties surrendered for whatever good reason are freedom lost." Walter Cronkite, in the preface to the 1984 edition of 1984 |
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TJ Theismen must be edykated coz e writed:
Well, I guess I'm the world's biggest idiot for paying $3000 for my Bigha. When I first heard of them I checked out this board. I ended up purchasing despite all the negativity. I couldn't be happier with my Bigha. I ride it often. Feel free to rip me all you want, I'll be happy nontheless. Had I listened to everyone who said such and such was a bad idea, I wouldn't have gone to college, wouldn't have married (and had children), wouldn't have my job, my house, my car, my Bigha, etc. I learned long ago to listen to the familiar voice inside instead of the strange ones outside. Well I think it is a nice bike. -- Ian http://www.catrike.co.uk |
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The Segway might be a better comparison, but Segways got massive
prerelease publicity and they can claim to be somewhat unique and innovative. But they still don't sell for squat. Bighas are really pretty ordinary recumbents despite the integrated electronics. I predict sales of less then squat. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove 13,000 Segways and they "don't sell for squat?". Where do you get your information? Your "imagination"? There are MORE online communities for Segways than there are for recumbents. Another thing Lorenzo, you are tiring this group with your rather strange anti-BiGHa obsession...even those who wouldn't own one. Admit it, you just can't afford one so why keep "beating a dead horse"? I currently am aware of 5 people who've bought a BiGHa...both newbies and experienced. They shouldn't have to answer to you or anyone as to why they made their choice. That is very rude of you. Who do you think you are? The "Recumbent Police"? What makes you think that "experienced" bent riders would never own one. Have you ridden one yourself to make that judgement? Your arrogant assumptions tells me that you need to grow up some. You don't have the faintest idea of what free market is and that discussion is way out of your league. Don't you think that people who own a Rolex haven't owned other less expensive watches? Don't you think people who own a Hummer haven't tried and owned other less expensive vehicles? Don't you think there are people who live in a $500,000 home today that may have lived in a $100,000 one two or three years before? After all, the less expensive items I've mentioned do basically the same function as their pricier counterparts. It's not up to you to make decisions for others as to how to spend their money. I've seen really stupid things said on this newsgroup but this "takes the cake". Edward Wong Orlando, FL |
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Edward Wong wrote:
The Segway might be a better comparison, but Segways got massive prerelease publicity and they can claim to be somewhat unique and innovative. But they still don't sell for squat. Bighas are really pretty ordinary recumbents despite the integrated electronics. I predict sales of less then squat. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove 13,000 Segways and they "don't sell for squat?". Where do you get your information? Your "imagination"? There are MORE online communities for Segways than there are for recumbents. Another thing Lorenzo, you are tiring this group with your rather strange anti-BiGHa obsession...even those who wouldn't own one. Admit it, you just can't afford one so why keep "beating a dead horse"? I currently am aware of 5 people who've bought a BiGHa...both newbies and experienced. They shouldn't have to answer to you or anyone as to why they made their choice. That is very rude of you. Who do you think you are? The "Recumbent Police"? What makes you think that "experienced" bent riders would never own one. Have you ridden one yourself to make that judgement? Your arrogant assumptions tells me that you need to grow up some. You don't have the faintest idea of what free market is and that discussion is way out of your league. Don't you think that people who own a Rolex haven't owned other less expensive watches? Don't you think people who own a Hummer haven't tried and owned other less expensive vehicles? Don't you think there are people who live in a $500,000 home today that may have lived in a $100,000 one two or three years before? After all, the less expensive items I've mentioned do basically the same function as their pricier counterparts. It's not up to you to make decisions for others as to how to spend their money. I've seen really stupid things said on this newsgroup but this "takes the cake". Edward Wong Orlando, FL Ask a simple question and I get such rude and offensive responses. Why are you so defensive about a bike you yourself will not buy? After filtering out some lies, only ONE person in this newgroup claims to have actually bought a Bigha and he has not answered simple questions about his experience or why he spent that much. Sure, some people will automatically buy what ever costs the most on the silly idea that if it costs more it must be better or because they need to feel special by having more expensive toys then their neighbors. If these are your reasons for buying a Bigha, just say so. No need to be defensive about it, lots of people think spending money makes them special. But if you have a logical reason for paying $3000.00 for a slow heavy comfort bike, I would like to hear it. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove "The worst-tempered people I've ever met were people who knew they were wrong." Wilson Mizner, American playwright (1876-1933). |
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Ask a simple question and I get such rude and offensive responses. Why
are you so defensive about a bike you yourself will not buy? After filtering out some lies, only ONE person in this newgroup claims to have actually bought a Bigha and he has not answered simple questions about his experience or why he spent that much. Sure, some people will automatically buy what ever costs the most on the silly idea that if it costs more it must be better or because they need to feel special by having more expensive toys then their neighbors. If these are your reasons for buying a Bigha, just say so. No need to be defensive about it, lots of people think spending money makes them special. But if you have a logical reason for paying $3000.00 for a slow heavy comfort bike, I would like to hear it. Lorenzo L. Love I new see that the issue you have is not just about this particular product (BiGHa) but against anyone who can afford and enjoy the finer things in life that you can't. Again, why should anyone have to justify their buying decisions to you? Can you answer that simple question? You're getting what you perceive to be "rude and offensive" responses because you are being offensive with your constant and persistant negative attitude about this bike company and repetitive questioning on the same thing over and over and over. I knew the moment someone would come forward and admit that they own a BiGHa, you would immediately jump down their throat and pester them would your twisted point of view. Maybe that's the reason we dont't hear from more BiGHa owners. They know it's a complete waste of time to post here because of the attitudes. I believe I said this the last time we butted heads on this subject several months ago. You have failed to point out a bike that is comparable to the BiGHa, meaning in everything including the intergrated electronic package, made in the USA and costs less than half of what the BiGHa costs. You won't find it so don't waste your time or ours. Edward Wong Orlando, FL |
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Edward Wong wrote:
Ask a simple question and I get such rude and offensive responses. Why are you so defensive about a bike you yourself will not buy? After filtering out some lies, only ONE person in this newgroup claims to have actually bought a Bigha and he has not answered simple questions about his experience or why he spent that much. Sure, some people will automatically buy what ever costs the most on the silly idea that if it costs more it must be better or because they need to feel special by having more expensive toys then their neighbors. If these are your reasons for buying a Bigha, just say so. No need to be defensive about it, lots of people think spending money makes them special. But if you have a logical reason for paying $3000.00 for a slow heavy comfort bike, I would like to hear it. Lorenzo L. Love I new see that the issue you have is not just about this particular product (BiGHa) but against anyone who can afford and enjoy the finer things in life that you can't. Again, why should anyone have to justify their buying decisions to you? Can you answer that simple question? You're getting what you perceive to be "rude and offensive" responses because you are being offensive with your constant and persistant negative attitude about this bike company and repetitive questioning on the same thing over and over and over. I knew the moment someone would come forward and admit that they own a BiGHa, you would immediately jump down their throat and pester them would your twisted point of view. Maybe that's the reason we dont't hear from more BiGHa owners. They know it's a complete waste of time to post here because of the attitudes. I believe I said this the last time we butted heads on this subject several months ago. You have failed to point out a bike that is comparable to the BiGHa, meaning in everything including the intergrated electronic package, made in the USA and costs less than half of what the BiGHa costs. You won't find it so don't waste your time or ours. Edward Wong Orlando, FL Let's see, you defend tooth and nail a bike that you don't own and WILL NOT BUY. I ask why people would buy this bike, and you, who WILL NOT BUY one, keep answering. You keep telling us how great this bike is, but you WILL NOT BUY one. I want to hear from people who have bought one, why they did. Not from someone who WILL NOT BUY one. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove "Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason." Oscar Wilde |
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I fail to see a rational basis for the invective frequently expressed
towards Bigha or John Acres. Bigha is unlikely to take sales from any existing recumbent manufacturer. Bigha has created a unique market niche, the upscale recumbent pleasure cruiser. I suspect that John Acres is marketing this particular bent because he is without competitors in this small market niche. There is a group of consumers in this country, primarily affluent, that are motivated largely by "pride of ownership". These people will pay large sums of money to acquire whatever they consider to be "the best". A Bigha customer may be a well-heeled retired couple. They have purchased "his" and "her" Bigha bikes. The man may have even had a trailer, complete with a ramp, built for the bikes so that he can easily tow them behind their Lincoln Navigator. Every Sunday, if the weather is nice, they take their bikes to the park for a leasurely eight mile ride. What's so wrong with that? Should a retired couple be forced to ride low racers? John Acres is building his bikes here, in America. Personally, I feel he deserves a pat on the back. |
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"Steve in SC" wrote in message om... . What's so wrong with that? Should a retired couple be forced to ride low racers? That would be kinda neat, as far as I know only 2 Barons exist in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. I'd almost be glad to get dusted by a 80 year old |
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