Bicycle Lanes

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...on-free-travel
See the answer to the problem of bike paths.

Hopefully you will be able to access the reference site.

Note that the Thai plan is to build the Bike path as an attachment to
the existing "Sky train" elevated railroad track which will likely
save some money..

--
cheers,

John B.

On 9/14/2019 8:32 PM, John B. wrote:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...on-free-travel
See the answer to the problem of bike paths.

Hopefully you will be able to access the reference site.

Note that the Thai plan is to build the Bike path as an attachment to
the existing "Sky train" elevated railroad track which will likely
save some money..

This is good to know.

Because long ago, American bicycle advocates began demanding bike lane
stripes. Why? Because riding ordinary roads wasn't safe enough, and bike
lanes would get more people out of their cars and onto bikes. The would
finally make bicycling safe!

Some cities put in bike lane stripes. But people kept using cars. So
bike advocates began demanding "buffered bike lanes" for more separation
between bikes and cars; because ordinary bike lanes weren't safe enough,
and buffered bike lanes would get people out of their cars and onto
bikes. The would finally make bicycling safe!

Some cities put in buffered bike lanes. But people kept using cars. So
bike advocates began demanding "protected bike lanes" for even more
separation between bikes and cars; because buffered bike lanes weren't
safe enough, and "protected" bike lanes would get people out of their
cars and onto bikes. They would finally make bicycling safe!

Some cities put in "protected" bike lanes. But people keep using cars.
And according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, "protected"
bike lanes are more dangerous than ordinary major streets - up to 12
times as dangerous, due mostly to crashes at intersections. See
https://www.iihs.org/topics/bibliography/ref/2193

So bike advocates are now demanding "protected intersections" to go with
"protected bike lanes," at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars
per intersection. Because surely those will get people out of their cars
and onto bikes. They would finally make bicycling safe!

After all that, I've been wondering what the next stage will be. Now we
know! Bike advocates will begin demanding elevated bike paths. Because
surely those will get people out of their cars and onto bikes. They will
finally make bicycling safe!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:08:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

After all that, I've been wondering what the next stage will be. Now we
know! Bike advocates will begin demanding elevated bike paths. Because
surely those will get people out of their cars and onto bikes. They will
finally make bicycling safe!

The next big thing in bicycle safety could be urban ski lifts and rope
tows. Like in a ski resort, the bicycle rider would clip onto a
powered tow rope and get towed to either another tow rope, or to their
destination. However, having tow ropes at ground level and crossing
intersections is not going to work. So, an elevated moving cable will
be needed. The bicycle riders clips onto a drag line and pulls
themselves and the bicycle up to the level of the cable. This can be
done by various mechanical or electrical contrivances. Details later.
Getting off consists of lowering the bicycle and rider to ground
level, and riding away. Or, just do it like on a chair lift, where
the riders get off or risk getting run over by the chair. The
original plan was to hang the cables under or on the sides of elevated
roadways (i.e. freeways).

Downhill racers have used cable and chair lifts to get to the top of
mountains for many years:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bicycle+ski+lift
http://www.deasonbuilt.com/chair-lift-mountain-bike-carriers.html
http://www.deasonbuilt.com/gondola-mountain-bike-carriers.html
The nice part is that a cable lift will go over obstacles and traffic
hazards.

"Lazy Norwegians Have Cable Driven Bike Lift"
https://www.wired.com/2007/04/lazy-norwegians/
"This is basically a ski lift for bikes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1u8ZJ_qQ24

Do it thyself:
"How To Build A Backyard Rope Tow"
https://vtskiandride.com/build-backyard-rope-tow/

This would certainly make bicycling safe (if you don't fall off).

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 21:19:07 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Downhill racers have used cable and chair lifts to get to the top of
mountains for many years:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bicycle+ski+lift
http://www.deasonbuilt.com/chair-lift-mountain-bike-carriers.html
http://www.deasonbuilt.com/gondola-mountain-bike-carriers.html
The nice part is that a cable lift will go over obstacles and traffic
hazards.

Mo

ProTow-MTB
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9KkUkeplhar56RtxNftNQ
https://www.facebook.com/pg/protowmtb/photos/



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 9:19:12 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:08:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

After all that, I've been wondering what the next stage will be. Now we
know! Bike advocates will begin demanding elevated bike paths. Because
surely those will get people out of their cars and onto bikes. They will
finally make bicycling safe!

The next big thing in bicycle safety could be urban ski lifts and rope
tows. Like in a ski resort, the bicycle rider would clip onto a
powered tow rope and get towed to either another tow rope, or to their
destination. However, having tow ropes at ground level and crossing
intersections is not going to work. So, an elevated moving cable will
be needed. The bicycle riders clips onto a drag line and pulls
themselves and the bicycle up to the level of the cable. This can be
done by various mechanical or electrical contrivances. Details later.
Getting off consists of lowering the bicycle and rider to ground
level, and riding away. Or, just do it like on a chair lift, where
the riders get off or risk getting run over by the chair. The
original plan was to hang the cables under or on the sides of elevated
roadways (i.e. freeways).

Downhill racers have used cable and chair lifts to get to the top of
mountains for many years:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bicycle+ski+lift
http://www.deasonbuilt.com/chair-lift-mountain-bike-carriers.html
http://www.deasonbuilt.com/gondola-mountain-bike-carriers.html
The nice part is that a cable lift will go over obstacles and traffic
hazards.

"Lazy Norwegians Have Cable Driven Bike Lift"
https://www.wired.com/2007/04/lazy-norwegians/
"This is basically a ski lift for bikes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1u8ZJ_qQ24

Do it thyself:
"How To Build A Backyard Rope Tow"
https://vtskiandride.com/build-backyard-rope-tow/

This would certainly make bicycling safe (if you don't fall off).

It's not about making bicycling safe, its about supporting bicyclists! More elevators! https://www.orcity.org/publicworks/municipal-elevator Beats climbing up the bluff. What, no aerial trams in Santa Cruz? http://www.gobytram.com/ Most of the cyclists park and ride, although some do take their bikes up to the hospital, which is annoying since the tram lands in a sometimes crowded medical pavilion. https://tinyurl.com/y5ysnpzy I think a rope tow up HWY 9 would be in order. You should bring that up at the next town council meeting -- synergize with SMS in Cupertino. Use your RBT contacts!

-- Jay Beattie.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:08:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/14/2019 8:32 PM, John B. wrote:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...skycycle-lane-
offers-elevated-congestion-free-travel
See the answer to the problem of bike paths.

Hopefully you will be able to access the reference site.

Note that the Thai plan is to build the Bike path as an attachment to
the existing "Sky train" elevated railroad track which will likely save
some money..

This is good to know.

Because long ago, American bicycle advocates began demanding bike lane
stripes. Why? Because riding ordinary roads wasn't safe enough, and bike
lanes would get more people out of their cars and onto bikes. The would
finally make bicycling safe!


I think what you outlined was/is a case of asking what you can get to
start the whole process off.