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jtaylor wrote:
"Sorni" wrote in message ... jtaylor wrote: "Sorni" wrote in message ... While many mountain bikers and BMXers use such pads, most people of course deem their head more important to protect than their limbs. Gray matter, facial features, eyes, etc. You wear a cycle helmet that covers your face and eyes? (My comment, /in context/, was that most mtb-ers don't wear all the elbow and knee pads and chest protectors, etc. They DO wear helmets because the head is more important to at least /try/ to protect. Yours may not be.) But why, then, did you say "facial features, eyes, etc." Because along with helmets most mountain bikers wear -- gasp -- protective eyewear. (As for "facial features", a regular helmet can help protect them in some circumstances; and I suppose that some mtb-ers wear mouth-guards, too.) The /point/ of my comment was that most mountain bikers don't wear "Star Wars" plastic courage pads and armor. BTW, you gonna hump EVERY post I make from now on -- including revisiting ones from almost two weeks ago? Are you subscribing to the supposed magical protective properties of helmets - y'know, like the ability to prevent something like 75% of leg injuries? Please find a quote from me suggesting anything remotely like that. {blowing tumbleweed wave file goes here} |
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jtaylor wrote: "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 May 2006 07:55:50 -0300, "jtaylor" wrote: You wear a cycle helmet that covers your face and eyes? Some do -- those motorcycle-style helmet with moutgaurds and face masks. I saw a bike messenger in an actual motorcycle helmet, on the road, on Friday. Good god, next we'll have MFFHL's (Manditory Full-Face Helmet Laws). Don't laugh. Thompson & Rivara, of "85%" fame, produced one paper that wailed about injuries to the chins and lower faces of cyclists, and pointed out that helmets with rigid chin guards would reduce these tragedies. I don't recall if they called for making these mandatory, as they do for other helmets. If there's interest, I can dig out a citation. - Frank Krygowski |
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"Sorni" wrote in message news Are you subscribing to the supposed magical protective properties of helmets - y'know, like the ability to prevent something like 75% of leg injuries? Please find a quote from me suggesting anything remotely like that. Well, basically any post you make which a) indicates that you believe that helmets have a population level benefit b) says you know so-and-so and he/she had such-and-such an accident and his/her helemt saved their life falls into that category... |
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jtaylor wrote:
"Sorni" wrote in message news Are you subscribing to the supposed magical protective properties of helmets - y'know, like the ability to prevent something like 75% of leg injuries? Please find a quote from me suggesting anything remotely like that. Well, basically any post you make which a) indicates that you believe that helmets have a population level benefit Don't recall ever saying that, but yes I think cyclists /in general/ are safer wearing helmets; and that I, in particular, am because of the type of riding I do. Just by coincidence, the 50 or 60 other cyclists I know or have known personally all seem to think the same, as they all wear lids, too. And then, of course, there are the literally thousands I've seen on trails and roads, and the vast majority apparently agree, as well. It's quite unusual to see a "real cyclist" around here riding lidless. Sorry. b) says you know so-and-so and he/she had such-and-such an accident and his/her helemt saved their life I've never* claimed a helmet saved anyone's life (including my own). Sorry. *It's possible I /may/ have said or thought that many years ago, but reading more about the issue has pretty much convinced me that it's highly unlikely (although not impossible in far-fetched scenarios)... Sorry. |
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Sorni wrote:
Don't recall ever saying that, but yes I think cyclists /in general/ are safer wearing helmets; and that I, in particular, am because of the type of riding I do. Just by coincidence, the 50 or 60 other cyclists I know or have known personally all seem to think the same, as they all wear lids, too. And then, of course, there are the literally thousands I've seen on trails and roads, and the vast majority apparently agree, as well. It's quite unusual to see a "real cyclist" around here riding lidless. Sorry. One million lemmings can't be wrong eh? Many professional sports people have curious rituals that they have to perform to give them luck. They are convinced they work but I doubt any of us would give them much credence. What you say about cyclists in the US is very true and I have found very strongly held views to be very common there. I believe 38% of US cyclists wear a helmet compared with 22% in the UK yet the UK head injury rate per bn km is half that of the US despite the narrower roads, more aggressive driving and much higher traffic density and speed in the UK. In the Netherlands where its only 0.1%, head injury rates are a further factor of three lower. Meanwhile in your own backyard of San Diego where there is an MHL for under 18's, Ji et al noted "Despite the increase of helmet use, we were not able to show significant reduction of serious head injury rates over the study period." I've never* claimed a helmet saved anyone's life (including my own). Sorry. *It's possible I /may/ have said or thought that many years ago, but reading more about the issue has pretty much convinced me that it's highly unlikely (although not impossible in far-fetched scenarios)... So you disagree with Todd's view that they twice saved his life? -- Tony "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci |
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 17:42:26 +0100, Tony Raven
wrote: Sorni wrote: Don't recall ever saying that, but yes I think cyclists /in general/ are safer wearing helmets; and that I, in particular, am because of the type of riding I do. Just by coincidence, the 50 or 60 other cyclists I know or have known personally all seem to think the same, as they all wear lids, too. And then, of course, there are the literally thousands I've seen on trails and roads, and the vast majority apparently agree, as well. It's quite unusual to see a "real cyclist" around here riding lidless. Sorry. One million lemmings can't be wrong eh? Many professional sports people have curious rituals that they have to perform to give them luck. They are convinced they work but I doubt any of us would give them much credence. I was and still am a hobby cyclist (except for a brief period working as a messenger) but for sure the helmet was a big part of my demonstrating to myself and the cycling community that I was "serious." JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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