Idea for future of electronic gear shift. Beware, contains actual"tech" content.

So they've replaced SS cables and gear levers with electrical cables,
switches and a battery. But what's next?

Those cables and the battery are still a pain.

Could each device generate enough of it's own charge to make wireless
gear shift with no need to carry heavy batteries?

Could they use piezoelectricity to power a transmitter in the
handlebars, and a miniature dynamo on the jockey wheel of the rear
deraileur to power the receiver and gear shift mech?

What about the front deraileur I hear you ask? Could the chain be used
to modulate a static (permanent) magnetic field and pickup AC current
using a coil?

How about a helmet with mind sensors that allow us to think "shift up"
and it just happens?

It all sounds so complicated and fragile. I'm gonna hang on to my SS
gear cables as long as I can.

--
J "Not and early adopter" S.

Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 08:16:38 UTC+2 schreef James het volgende:
So they've replaced SS cables and gear levers with electrical cables,
switches and a battery. But what's next?

Those cables and the battery are still a pain.

How is that a pain? I'm surpised how fast they opimized the frames for electric shifting.

Lou

Could each device generate enough of it's own charge to make wireless
gear shift with no need to carry heavy batteries?

Could they use piezoelectricity to power a transmitter in the
handlebars, and a miniature dynamo on the jockey wheel of the rear
deraileur to power the receiver and gear shift mech?

What about the front deraileur I hear you ask? Could the chain be used
to modulate a static (permanent) magnetic field and pickup AC current
using a coil?

How about a helmet with mind sensors that allow us to think "shift up"
and it just happens?

It all sounds so complicated and fragile. I'm gonna hang on to my SS
gear cables as long as I can.

It is not complicated at all if you compare it with other stuff you use without thinkng about it. You are getting old James. You have tio watch out not to become a second 'Frank'. Nobody point a gun to your head to buy or use anything.

Lou

On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:16:38 +1000, James
wrote:

So they've replaced SS cables and gear levers with electrical cables,
switches and a battery. But what's next?

Those cables and the battery are still a pain.

Could each device generate enough of it's own charge to make wireless
gear shift with no need to carry heavy batteries?

Could they use piezoelectricity to power a transmitter in the
handlebars, and a miniature dynamo on the jockey wheel of the rear
deraileur to power the receiver and gear shift mech?

What about the front deraileur I hear you ask? Could the chain be used
to modulate a static (permanent) magnetic field and pickup AC current
using a coil?

How about a helmet with mind sensors that allow us to think "shift up"
and it just happens?

It all sounds so complicated and fragile. I'm gonna hang on to my SS
gear cables as long as I can.

But think of the delicious amounts of money one will be able to spend
on these accessories and the syncopating equipment reviews that can be
written in the magazines. A whole new equipment sub-species.

On Jul 5, 2:16*am, James wrote:
So they've replaced SS cables and gear levers with electrical cables,
switches and a battery. *But what's next?

Those cables and the battery are still a pain.

Could each device generate enough of it's own charge to make wireless
gear shift with no need to carry heavy batteries?

Could they use piezoelectricity to power a transmitter in the
handlebars, and a miniature dynamo on the jockey wheel of the rear
deraileur to power the receiver and gear shift mech?

What about the front deraileur I hear you ask? *Could the chain be used
to modulate a static (permanent) magnetic field and pickup AC current
using a coil?

How about a helmet with mind sensors that allow us to think "shift up"
and it just happens?

It all sounds so complicated and fragile. *I'm gonna hang on to my SS
gear cables as long as I can.

One thing I've done over the years with lots of decisions (home
remodeling, work-related, car buying, etc. etc.) is to evaluate
features or benefits on a dollar benefit basis, asking "What would I
be willing to spend for that benefit?"

The answer varies for each individual, of course. But with some bike
developments, the amount of benefit is greatly exaggerated. And the
"benefit" of simply being the first guy on the block with the new toy
is rarely admitted.

What would I pay for the "benefit" of trading a perfectly functioning
steel cable for a wire and battery? Hmmm....

- Frank Krygowski

are connecting wires durable ? what gauge ? where's the ground ? Can the LBS use a multimeter ?

how waterproof moving parts ?

where do we get the psare rubber grommet/cover when it falls off ?

WHAT'S THE POINT ?

self powered eleccycle ?

On Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:48:24 AM UTC-6, datakoll wrote:
are connecting wires durable ? what gauge ? where's the ground ? Can the LBS use a multimeter ?

how waterproof moving parts ?

where do we get the psare rubber grommet/cover when it falls off ?

WHAT'S THE POINT ?

self powered eleccycle ?

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development of search terms.....from the menu maybe Goo is working on this

its like LED sneakers.....

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of limits

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On Thursday, July 5, 2012 12:39:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:16*am, James wrote:
So they've replaced SS cables and gear levers with electrical cables,
switches and a battery. *But what's next?

Those cables and the battery are still a pain.

Could each device generate enough of it's own charge to make wireless
gear shift with no need to carry heavy batteries?

Could they use piezoelectricity to power a transmitter in the
handlebars, and a miniature dynamo on the jockey wheel of the rear
deraileur to power the receiver and gear shift mech?

What about the front deraileur I hear you ask? *Could the chain be used
to modulate a static (permanent) magnetic field and pickup AC current
using a coil?

How about a helmet with mind sensors that allow us to think "shift up"
and it just happens?

It all sounds so complicated and fragile. *I'm gonna hang on to my SS
gear cables as long as I can.

One thing I've done over the years with lots of decisions (home
remodeling, work-related, car buying, etc. etc.) is to evaluate
features or benefits on a dollar benefit basis, asking "What would I
be willing to spend for that benefit?"

The answer varies for each individual, of course. But with some bike
developments, the amount of benefit is greatly exaggerated. And the
"benefit" of simply being the first guy on the block with the new toy
is rarely admitted.

What would I pay for the "benefit" of trading a perfectly functioning
steel cable for a wire and battery? Hmmm....

- Frank Krygowski

Is "trade" the right question? I have 9 bikes. One is Shimano Di2 electronic. I did not "trade" any of my other bikes for this one. I simply "added" it to the pool. I have bikes with Campagnolo and Shimano cable shifters.. Campagnolo is clearly superior. But the Shimano provides a different perspective or even advantages in a few cases. Advantage being the ability to get cassettes with huge cogs easily. Shimano Di2 is different. The front derailleur shifting is superior. Worth it? Thousands upon thousands of people pay thousands of dollars to the car company to "upgrade" the engine on a car from 4 to 6 cylinders or 6 to 8 cylinders. Many people on this forum have paid more than Di2 cost to upgrade the engine on a car/truck. Worth it?