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Has anyone else noticed this?
I recently sent off for a HG70 cassette (quote, as used by 105) and when I got it back it was cheaply finished, riveted together and nowhere near as good as the one I got on my RX100 group when I bought the bike. I'm sure it will work just as well but be aware that there are inferior quality groupsets out there. It is a shame as most of the stuff I get mail order off the web is top quailty and very reasonable. caveat emptor |
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MartinM wrote:
Has anyone else noticed this? I recently sent off for a HG70 cassette (quote, as used by 105) and when I got it back it was cheaply finished, riveted together and nowhere near as good as the one I got on my RX100 group when I bought the bike. I'm sure it will work just as well but be aware that there are inferior quality groupsets out there. It is a shame as most of the stuff I get mail order off the web is top quailty and very reasonable. caveat emptor I have not noticed it but I haven't bought parts for a while, thats not strictly true, I got a LX cassette recently but I didn't really know what to exepct from this range. What did you expect ? Loose sprockets ? It what way do you consider the finish cheap ? I am interested as I will be buying some cassettes soon. -- The Reply & From email addresses are checked rarely. http://www.mseries.freeserve.co.uk |
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I don't wish to divulge the supplier as I have had good service from
them and am treating this as a one-off, it's just that I expected screw together not riveted cassette, not that I'm going to take it apart either. The point I was making is that there are obviously budget components which are made up and probably fitted to mass market complete bikes (how else can they do them at the price, and some of these are finding their way into the components market. Next time I will pay a bit more and buy one from a shop where I can see it before I buy. Might be worth contacting them - if they're any good they'll send you a screwed together one out without any hassle. |
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In message , MartinM
writes I don't wish to divulge the supplier as I have had good service from them and am treating this as a one-off, it's just that I expected screw together not riveted cassette, not that I'm going to take it apart either. The point I was making is that there are obviously budget components which are made up and probably fitted to mass market complete bikes (how else can they do them at the price, and some of these are finding their way into the components market. Next time I will pay a bit more and buy one from a shop where I can see it before I buy. If it's the screw together part you're specifically after then AFAIK you'll be disappointed with any Shimano. They all are riveted, the higher end ones having the larger cogs attached to an aluminium carriage to save weight. Shimano to my (admittedly rather shaky now) knowledge don't make a screwed together cassette and have not done for some years. (Or at least one that has to be filed a bit to dissemble) I think SRAM's ones are riveted too. The only one I can think of that is (apart from Campy, who I don't know either way and are probably the wrong spacing for your Shimano kit anyway) is TA, which are just separate cogs and spacers, and don't use either bolts or rivets. TA however are pricey, wear fairly rapidly and not recommended for heavy riders, being ultra light aluminium kit. The HG70 is fitted to many bikes, and is the same retail as OEM. It's a good piece of workhorse kit and I've fitted many to bikes, including my own, with nary a complaint. It is however a mid range component and is priced as such. If you want no-frills Shimano shifting and aren't terribly bothered about weight then I'd personally recommend them! I have to ask, why does it need to be screwed together, when Shimano don't sell the cogs separately anymore? -- Thomas Letherby |
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Thomas Letherby wrote in message
snip I have to ask, why does it need to be screwed together, when Shimano don't sell the cogs separately anymore? It doesn't, maybe the others I have are older, so were screwed together. They were also milled which the new one isn't, but if they are all like that now that is ok. I have noticed that botom end Shimano components have been getting more cheaply made over the years , and I have been informed that it is due to the strong Yen (compare Sora to RSX, much more plastic and steel on Sora and they are both bottom end road groups I thought, same with Deore which used to be top end). Is Campag bottom end any better? (I remember the first Halfords all Campag bike for the 94 Tour, that was pretty low end as I remember) I will have to dig deep and go for 105 in future. |
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"Thomas Letherby" wrote in message ... Who told you it was 105? I'm ready to stand corrected Not a definitive answer I know but I've just bought an HG70 chain which says "105 7/8 speed" on the packaging. Maybe some older 105 bits are now marketed as HG70? tony R. |
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"MartinM" wrote in message om... I don't wish to divulge the supplier as I have had good service from them and am treating this as a one-off, it's just that I expected screw together not riveted cassette, not that I'm going to take it apart either. The point I was making is that there are obviously budget components which are made up and probably fitted to mass market complete bikes (how else can they do them at the price, and some of these are finding their way into the components market. Next time I will pay a bit more and buy one from a shop where I can see it before I buy. I'd check that your supplier has sent the right cassette. I've just received an HG70 7-speed cassette (from Edinburgh Bicycle Coop - excellent service, I can recommend them) and it is definitely screwed together. It has three bolts that a 4mm socket bit fits. Indeed the Shimano service instructions enclosed with the cassette clearly shows this should be so whilst stating that the HG50 cassette has the first 5 sprockets riveted together. Maybe you've got an HG50? hope this helps, tony R. |
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MartinM wrote:
I have noticed that botom end Shimano components have been getting more cheaply made over the years , and I have been informed that it is due to the strong Yen (compare Sora to RSX, much more plastic and steel on Sora and they are both bottom end road groups I thought, same with Deore which used to be top end). There's long been Deore LX and Deore XT above plain Deore. Is Campag bottom end any better? It looks better made to me but Xenon seems to be competing with Sora with its special shifters and and steel chainrings. It does contain a bit of plastic but Campag's plastic is nice plastic! Xenon has the edge in that it's 9-speed and the mechs are particularly good value. Mirage or Veloce is a good place to start for the rest. With a lot of low and mid range Campag, you actually get stuff which is remarkably similar to the top groups for a fraction of the price (see the designs and part numbers in Campag's online Spare Parts section). There's more substantial difference between the Shimano groups. ~PB |
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"tony R" wrote in message ...
"Thomas Letherby" wrote in message ... Who told you it was 105? I'm ready to stand corrected Not a definitive answer I know but I've just bought an HG70 chain which says "105 7/8 speed" on the packaging. Maybe some older 105 bits are now marketed as HG70? tony R. As long as rivets are the only difference I'll live with it as long as it works. Thanks |
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"Pete Biggs" wrote in message ...
MartinM wrote: I have noticed that botom end Shimano components have been getting more cheaply made over the years , and I have been informed that it is due to the strong Yen (compare Sora to RSX, much more plastic and steel on Sora and they are both bottom end road groups I thought, same with Deore which used to be top end). There's long been Deore LX and Deore XT above plain Deore. Is Campag bottom end any better? It looks better made to me but Xenon seems to be competing with Sora with its special shifters and and steel chainrings. It does contain a bit of plastic but Campag's plastic is nice plastic! Xenon has the edge in that it's 9-speed and the mechs are particularly good value. Mirage or Veloce is a good place to start for the rest. I saw a Bianchi in Evans today with Xenon, not as nice as Sora IMHO, but then I'm not a Campag user. I don't think they use plastic to save money paticularly, just omit alloy to make the higher up groups look better perhaps. Is it my imagination or are there now more ranges per manufacturer? |
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