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TdF and DC: What would happen if...
.....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for
Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be the best choice? |
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
... ....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be the best choice? I think Jan would benefit the most, and could possibly pull off a win under Johan's brilliant leadership. His committment has been suspect (at times), but he might be able to be highly motivated by a good mentor. Personally, I'd like to see it, but I know I won't. However, I believe Jan has a great chance to win next year even w/T-Mobile (depending upon team changes that might occur between now and then). I think next year will be an intriguing tour w/Basso, Ullrich, and Vino (and maybe Floyd and/or Levi?) having some good battles. Lance will be gone, but that will result in closer competition next year. Should be fun. Although, I'm going miss Lance laying waste to everyone! Lance had an amazing run, and it was very enjoyable to witness it, no doubt. Jeff |
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J Jones wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... ....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be the best choice? I think Jan would benefit the most, and could possibly pull off a win under Johan's brilliant leadership. His committment has been suspect (at times), but he might be able to be highly motivated by a good mentor. Personally, I'd like to see it, but I know I won't. Dunno about a Jan & Johan combination. There's no indication that Johan ever had to motivate Lance, quite the opposite. Lance is self-motivating, Johan gives advice, organizes the team, other stuff. Jan, on the other hand, seems to have motivation problems, and Johan may have little or no experience working with a team leader who needs motivational help. However, I believe Jan has a great chance to win next year even w/T-Mobile (depending upon team changes that might occur between now and then). It will be very interesting to see if Jan is more motivated next year or less. On the plus side, everyone thinks his chances of winning go up with Lance gone. On the down side, feeling less challenged won't help his winter training motivation. Armstrong always said that Jan was what "got him out of bed in the morning." Not sure what gets Jan out of bed. No doubt, though, next year will be interesting. Never before has a 5-time winner left the sport abruptly; the sudden "vaccum" could have all sorts of exciting consequences. Mark |
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On 07/25/2005 09:31 AM, in article ,
"J Jones" wrote: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... ....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be the best choice? I think Jan would benefit the most, and could possibly pull off a win under Johan's brilliant leadership. His committment has been suspect (at times), but he might be able to be highly motivated by a good mentor. Personally, I'd like to see it, but I know I won't. I don't think so ... Lance was the leader of that team, not Johan ... Not really. Jan Ullrich with Bjarne Riis's motivational powers would be unstoppable, though ... But Riis has Basso, and Ullrich's got management that needs to crawl off into a corner and die. -- Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash |
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"Mark Janeba" wrote No doubt, though, next year will be interesting. Never before has a 5-time winner left the sport abruptly; the sudden "vaccum" could have all sorts of exciting consequences. Mark Coppi did. |
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Geraard Spergen wrote:
"Mark Janeba" wrote No doubt, though, next year will be interesting. Never before has a 5-time winner left the sport abruptly; the sudden "vaccum" could have all sorts of exciting consequences. Mark Coppi did. Sorry, I meant a five-time TdFrance winner, but you have a good point. What were the grand tours like the year after Coppi retired? Mark |
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"Mark Janeba" wrote Sorry, I meant a five-time TdFrance winner, but you have a good point. What were the grand tours like the year after Coppi retired? Mark Bobet won the next three Tours in a row - third man to take three Tours, first to do them in consecutive years. Maes and Thys were the others. In Italy, Magni won another one but no other repeat winners for 9 years and no three-peaters until Merckx. |
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"Geraard Spergen" wrote in message In Italy, Magni won another one but no other repeat winners for 9 years and no three-peaters until Merckx. Clarification - no "post Coppi" three-peaters. |
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