Recumbents & Speed?

"Robert Chung" wrote in message ...
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If that's the event you were talking about, in 2000 the Tour de
Seine-et-Marne was not a UCI event, as I pointed out elsewhere in this
thread. Therefore, it is either incorrect or deceptive to describe the
accomplishment, admirable though it may be, as "an unfaired [recumbent]
won a UCI prolog a couple of years ago."

Here are a couple links mentioning the UCI status as a sanctioned
amateur event with team cars, Robobank, etc.

Checking it out again, what happened was the French HPVers were
invited to this UCI prolog and they made it part of their HPV
championships. So it was both things together as a special event.
Apparently the unfaired bents won a hilly crit the next day as well
and weren't invited back to either event.

A report about this and other hilly/upright racing aspects from the
winning recumbent rider:
http://www.ihpva.org/pipermail/hpv/W...28/031834.html

A thread I started that includes an English trans by Dave Larrington,
UK HPV editor, of the first report:
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread/t-53405.html

--JP

(Jeff Potter) wrote in message . com...
Curtis L. Russell wrote in message . ..
On 27 Jun 2004 05:22:13 -0700, (Jeff Potter)
wrote:

I lapped an all-cats crit with one (unfaired) a few years ago---only
about 20 riders showed up, but it was a money race with actual teams.

What exactly is an 'all-cats' crit that was run for money? I've never
seen one out side of training series, and usually early spring - money
being the odd $5-$3-$1 or such. Even they split to A and B as soon as
the sun stays up an extra 30 minutes and people have miles in their
legs.

Don't even remember anyone trying to put one on a permit. What would
be the purpose?

It was a spring race on Easter weekend and only 30 people all told
showed up so they asked around and everyone was fine with one event.
They were mostly Masters anyway, with 3 teams represented. I think the
purse was $100-200 total.

--JP

Doesn't exactly sound like a very tough field assembled there. I'm
thinking you might be able to hang in a cat. 5 crit, anything above
that, I'm seriously doubting.

Jeff Potter wrote:
"Robert Chung" wrote in message
... [ ]
If that's the event you were talking about, in 2000 the Tour de
Seine-et-Marne was not a UCI event, as I pointed out elsewhere in this
thread. Therefore, it is either incorrect or deceptive to describe the
accomplishment, admirable though it may be, as "an unfaired [recumbent]
won a UCI prolog a couple of years ago."

Here are a couple links mentioning the UCI status as a sanctioned
amateur event with team cars, Robobank, etc.

Checking it out again, what happened was the French HPVers were
invited to this UCI prolog and they made it part of their HPV
championships. So it was both things together as a special event.
Apparently the unfaired bents won a hilly crit the next day as well
and weren't invited back to either event.

A report about this and other hilly/upright racing aspects from the
winning recumbent rider:
http://www.ihpva.org/pipermail/hpv/W...28/031834.html

A thread I started that includes an English trans by Dave Larrington,
UK HPV editor, of the first report:
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread/t-53405.html

--JP

The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road
calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road calendar
as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002. Prior to that, it
was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like Rabobank) run development
squads so there were some excellent juniors and U23's who did the race in
those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's accomplishment shouldn't be
denigrated--but neither should it be inflated. It was not a UCI race.

"Robert Chung" wrote in message ...
[ ]
The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road
calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road calendar
as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002. Prior to that, it
was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like Rabobank) run development
squads so there were some excellent juniors and U23's who did the race in
those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's accomplishment shouldn't be
denigrated--but neither should it be inflated. It was not a UCI race.

It looks like it was a UCI race, just not a WC or elite one. --JP

Jeff Potter wrote:
"Robert Chung" wrote in message
... [ ]
The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI
road calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road
calendar as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002.
Prior to that, it was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like
Rabobank) run development squads so there were some excellent juniors
and U23's who did the race in those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's
accomplishment shouldn't be denigrated--but neither should it be
inflated. It was not a UCI race.

It looks like it was a UCI race, just not a WC or elite one. --JP

On what basis do you keep saying this? The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not
appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000.

"Robert Chung" wrote in message ...
Jeff Potter wrote:
"Robert Chung" wrote in message
... [ ]
The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI
road calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road
calendar as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002.
Prior to that, it was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like
Rabobank) run development squads so there were some excellent juniors
and U23's who did the race in those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's
accomplishment shouldn't be denigrated--but neither should it be
inflated. It was not a UCI race.

It looks like it was a UCI race, just not a WC or elite one. --JP

On what basis do you keep saying this? The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not
appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000.

UCI is mentioned in the contemporary reports on it. Nice to hear that
it's on a web archive as of 2002. I'll go with the idea that riders,
officials and the prolog winner mentioning UCI in connection with it
in 2000 had some basis for doing so. That's all. --JP