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Watched the prologue to the Dauphine yesterday after having been too
busy to follow pro cycling for a few months. Almost the entire broadcast seemed to be taken up with who was out of the race for doping, who was allowed in even though they're suspected, which teams are gone, which might be gone for the TDF this year. It was unreal. Maybe I haven't been following the pro cycling long enough so I'm a naive wide-eyed idealist, but it was insane to listen to an hour and a half of OLN basically explaining who has and hasn't been caught doping, more or less. When you have Armstrong's former right hand man (Haras), a former teammate (Hamilton), an entire team undera cloud (Phonak) and on and on and on it's hard not to wonder if it's not time just to cancel the TDF and wait until there is real testing in place. And please don't give me the (baseball players use steroids) argument. I don't watch baseball. I stopped watching long ago. And I'll stop watching cycling if every race is a jig-saw puzzle of who got caught and who didn't. Not so much because it screws with the integrity of the sport (although it does destroy what little integrity is left), but more because it's boring to watch a sport where half of the discussion and drama is about cheating. |
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Watched the prologue to the Dauphine yesterday after having been too busy to follow pro cycling for a few months. Almost the entire broadcast seemed to be taken up with who was out of the race for doping, who was allowed in even though they're suspected, which teams are gone, which might be gone for the TDF this year. It was unreal. Maybe I haven't been following the pro cycling long enough so I'm a naive wide-eyed idealist, but it was insane to listen to an hour and a half of OLN basically explaining who has and hasn't been caught doping, more or less. When you have Armstrong's former right hand man (Haras), a former teammate (Hamilton), an entire team undera cloud (Phonak) and on and on and on it's hard not to wonder if it's not time just to cancel the TDF and wait until there is real testing in place. And please don't give me the (baseball players use steroids) argument. I don't watch baseball. I stopped watching long ago. And I'll stop watching cycling if every race is a jig-saw puzzle of who got caught and who didn't. Not so much because it screws with the integrity of the sport (although it does destroy what little integrity is left), but more because it's boring to watch a sport where half of the discussion and drama is about cheating. There is cheating in professional sports! Isn't that a surprise? Cyclnig has its fair share of the cheaters since endurance sports are most likely to be enhanced by undetectable or nearly so drugs. Surprised? But the MAJORITY of riders do not use illegal performance enhancing drugs. I'm sort of remaining neutral on the blood packing stuff. You've been writing here since at least 1994 that there is no serious doping problem in cycling. Hundreds of positives have put the lie to that Kunich absurdity. Add some 200 blood doping riders to your "minority." And that was only one operation in Spain. There are others. I'm wondering what an "honest" rider does to defend himself against undetectable drugs that boost hematocrit to the legal limit. Simpleton. You just don't get it. The blood dopers inject the blood before racing but after the vampires might strike. They don't get blood tested after the race and can rehydrate/dilute the crit by dawn. You don't need drugs like EPO anymore. EPO by microdose is for the poorer members of the peloton at this point. Autologous blood transfusions are probably as safe a preparation as you can make. I don't like them but legalizing them would certainly put a kink in the EPO traffikers. There can be adverse reactions to autologus transfusions from a number of causes, including improper storage and transport. Hopefully, there will be a test for autologous transfusions in the next year. Do you think that might have been the underlying cause of Basso's problems in last year's Giro? |
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B. Lafferty wrote:
"Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Watched the prologue to the Dauphine yesterday after having been too busy to follow pro cycling for a few months. Almost the entire broadcast seemed to be taken up with who was out of the race for doping, who was allowed in even though they're suspected, which teams are gone, which might be gone for the TDF this year. It was unreal. Maybe I haven't been following the pro cycling long enough so I'm a naive wide-eyed idealist, but it was insane to listen to an hour and a half of OLN basically explaining who has and hasn't been caught doping, more or less. When you have Armstrong's former right hand man (Haras), a former teammate (Hamilton), an entire team undera cloud (Phonak) and on and on and on it's hard not to wonder if it's not time just to cancel the TDF and wait until there is real testing in place. And please don't give me the (baseball players use steroids) argument. I don't watch baseball. I stopped watching long ago. And I'll stop watching cycling if every race is a jig-saw puzzle of who got caught and who didn't. Not so much because it screws with the integrity of the sport (although it does destroy what little integrity is left), but more because it's boring to watch a sport where half of the discussion and drama is about cheating. There is cheating in professional sports! Isn't that a surprise? Cyclnig has its fair share of the cheaters since endurance sports are most likely to be enhanced by undetectable or nearly so drugs. Surprised? But the MAJORITY of riders do not use illegal performance enhancing drugs. I'm sort of remaining neutral on the blood packing stuff. You've been writing here since at least 1994 that there is no serious doping problem in cycling. Hundreds of positives have put the lie to that Kunich absurdity. Add some 200 blood doping riders to your "minority." And that was only one operation in Spain. There are others. I'm wondering what an "honest" rider does to defend himself against undetectable drugs that boost hematocrit to the legal limit. Simpleton. You just don't get it. The blood dopers inject the blood before racing but after the vampires might strike. They don't get blood tested after the race and can rehydrate/dilute the crit by dawn. You don't need drugs like EPO anymore. EPO by microdose is for the poorer members of the peloton at this point. Autologous blood transfusions are probably as safe a preparation as you can make. I don't like them but legalizing them would certainly put a kink in the EPO traffikers. There can be adverse reactions to autologus transfusions from a number of causes, including improper storage and transport. Hopefully, there will be a test for autologous transfusions in the next year. Do you think that might have been the underlying cause of Basso's problems in last year's Giro? There's the old Brian we all know and laugh at. You really believe that more drugs = more wins so there's really no reason for you to have any interest in racing nor in attending this group save your belief that we all MUST be convinced that racing is tainted. I hate to point this out, but there might just as likely be adverse reactions to simple vitamin injections as to autologous transfusions but then you probably already know that and this is simply your way of shaking the grass hut. But just out of curiosity - do you actually believe that anyone pays the slightest attention to anything you have to say anymore? |
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... B. Lafferty wrote: "Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Watched the prologue to the Dauphine yesterday after having been too busy to follow pro cycling for a few months. Almost the entire broadcast seemed to be taken up with who was out of the race for doping, who was allowed in even though they're suspected, which teams are gone, which might be gone for the TDF this year. It was unreal. Maybe I haven't been following the pro cycling long enough so I'm a naive wide-eyed idealist, but it was insane to listen to an hour and a half of OLN basically explaining who has and hasn't been caught doping, more or less. When you have Armstrong's former right hand man (Haras), a former teammate (Hamilton), an entire team undera cloud (Phonak) and on and on and on it's hard not to wonder if it's not time just to cancel the TDF and wait until there is real testing in place. And please don't give me the (baseball players use steroids) argument. I don't watch baseball. I stopped watching long ago. And I'll stop watching cycling if every race is a jig-saw puzzle of who got caught and who didn't. Not so much because it screws with the integrity of the sport (although it does destroy what little integrity is left), but more because it's boring to watch a sport where half of the discussion and drama is about cheating. There is cheating in professional sports! Isn't that a surprise? Cyclnig has its fair share of the cheaters since endurance sports are most likely to be enhanced by undetectable or nearly so drugs. Surprised? But the MAJORITY of riders do not use illegal performance enhancing drugs. I'm sort of remaining neutral on the blood packing stuff. You've been writing here since at least 1994 that there is no serious doping problem in cycling. Hundreds of positives have put the lie to that Kunich absurdity. Add some 200 blood doping riders to your "minority." And that was only one operation in Spain. There are others. I'm wondering what an "honest" rider does to defend himself against undetectable drugs that boost hematocrit to the legal limit. Simpleton. You just don't get it. The blood dopers inject the blood before racing but after the vampires might strike. They don't get blood tested after the race and can rehydrate/dilute the crit by dawn. You don't need drugs like EPO anymore. EPO by microdose is for the poorer members of the peloton at this point. Autologous blood transfusions are probably as safe a preparation as you can make. I don't like them but legalizing them would certainly put a kink in the EPO traffikers. There can be adverse reactions to autologus transfusions from a number of causes, including improper storage and transport. Hopefully, there will be a test for autologous transfusions in the next year. Do you think that might have been the underlying cause of Basso's problems in last year's Giro? There's the old Brian we all know and laugh at. You really believe that more drugs = more wins so there's really no reason for you to have any interest in racing nor in attending this group save your belief that we all MUST be convinced that racing is tainted. Your words. Your strawman. I hate to point this out, but there might just as likely be adverse reactions to simple vitamin injections as to autologous transfusions but then you probably already know that and this is simply your way of shaking the grass hut. Oh, I see. Simple vitamin injections are just as risky as autologous transfusions, perhaps more so. You should do a study on that an see if you can get it published in JAMA. But just out of curiosity - do you actually believe that anyone pays the slightest attention to anything you have to say anymore? You do. :-) |
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... B. Lafferty wrote: "Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Watched the prologue to the Dauphine yesterday after having been too busy to follow pro cycling for a few months. Almost the entire broadcast seemed to be taken up with who was out of the race for doping, who was allowed in even though they're suspected, which teams are gone, which might be gone for the TDF this year. It was unreal. Maybe I haven't been following the pro cycling long enough so I'm a naive wide-eyed idealist, but it was insane to listen to an hour and a half of OLN basically explaining who has and hasn't been caught doping, more or less. When you have Armstrong's former right hand man (Haras), a former teammate (Hamilton), an entire team undera cloud (Phonak) and on and on and on it's hard not to wonder if it's not time just to cancel the TDF and wait until there is real testing in place. And please don't give me the (baseball players use steroids) argument. I don't watch baseball. I stopped watching long ago. And I'll stop watching cycling if every race is a jig-saw puzzle of who got caught and who didn't. Not so much because it screws with the integrity of the sport (although it does destroy what little integrity is left), but more because it's boring to watch a sport where half of the discussion and drama is about cheating. There is cheating in professional sports! Isn't that a surprise? Cyclnig has its fair share of the cheaters since endurance sports are most likely to be enhanced by undetectable or nearly so drugs. Surprised? But the MAJORITY of riders do not use illegal performance enhancing drugs. I'm sort of remaining neutral on the blood packing stuff. You've been writing here since at least 1994 that there is no serious doping problem in cycling. Hundreds of positives have put the lie to that Kunich absurdity. Add some 200 blood doping riders to your "minority." And that was only one operation in Spain. There are others. I'm wondering what an "honest" rider does to defend himself against undetectable drugs that boost hematocrit to the legal limit. Simpleton. You just don't get it. The blood dopers inject the blood before racing but after the vampires might strike. They don't get blood tested after the race and can rehydrate/dilute the crit by dawn. You don't need drugs like EPO anymore. EPO by microdose is for the poorer members of the peloton at this point. Autologous blood transfusions are probably as safe a preparation as you can make. I don't like them but legalizing them would certainly put a kink in the EPO traffikers. There can be adverse reactions to autologus transfusions from a number of causes, including improper storage and transport. Hopefully, there will be a test for autologous transfusions in the next year. Do you think that might have been the underlying cause of Basso's problems in last year's Giro? There's the old Brian we all know and laugh at. You really believe that more drugs = more wins so there's really no reason for you to have any interest in racing nor in attending this group save your belief that we all MUST be convinced that racing is tainted. I hate to point this out, but there might just as likely be adverse reactions to simple vitamin injections as to autologous transfusions but then you probably already know that and this is simply your way of shaking the grass hut. But just out of curiosity - do you actually believe that anyone pays the slightest attention to anything you have to say anymore? Major Tom, I'm still waiting for you to back up your assertion with proof. Think you can do it? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Tom Kunich wrote: B. Lafferty wrote: "Tom Kunich" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Watched the prologue to the Dauphine yesterday after having been too busy to follow pro cycling for a few months. Almost the entire broadcast seemed to be taken up with who was out of the race for doping, who was allowed in even though they're suspected, which teams are gone, which might be gone for the TDF this year. It was unreal. Maybe I haven't been following the pro cycling long enough so I'm a naive wide-eyed idealist, but it was insane to listen to an hour and a half of OLN basically explaining who has and hasn't been caught doping, more or less. When you have Armstrong's former right hand man (Haras), a former teammate (Hamilton), an entire team undera cloud (Phonak) and on and on and on it's hard not to wonder if it's not time just to cancel the TDF and wait until there is real testing in place. And please don't give me the (baseball players use steroids) argument. I don't watch baseball. I stopped watching long ago. And I'll stop watching cycling if every race is a jig-saw puzzle of who got caught and who didn't. Not so much because it screws with the integrity of the sport (although it does destroy what little integrity is left), but more because it's boring to watch a sport where half of the discussion and drama is about cheating. There is cheating in professional sports! Isn't that a surprise? Cyclnig has its fair share of the cheaters since endurance sports are most likely to be enhanced by undetectable or nearly so drugs. Surprised? But the MAJORITY of riders do not use illegal performance enhancing drugs. I'm sort of remaining neutral on the blood packing stuff. You've been writing here since at least 1994 that there is no serious doping problem in cycling. Hundreds of positives have put the lie to that Kunich absurdity. Add some 200 blood doping riders to your "minority." And that was only one operation in Spain. There are others. I'm wondering what an "honest" rider does to defend himself against undetectable drugs that boost hematocrit to the legal limit. Simpleton. You just don't get it. The blood dopers inject the blood before racing but after the vampires might strike. They don't get blood tested after the race and can rehydrate/dilute the crit by dawn. You don't need drugs like EPO anymore. EPO by microdose is for the poorer members of the peloton at this point. Autologous blood transfusions are probably as safe a preparation as you can make. I don't like them but legalizing them would certainly put a kink in the EPO traffikers. There can be adverse reactions to autologus transfusions from a number of causes, including improper storage and transport. Hopefully, there will be a test for autologous transfusions in the next year. Do you think that might have been the underlying cause of Basso's problems in last year's Giro? There's the old Brian we all know and laugh at. You really believe that more drugs = more wins so there's really no reason for you to have any interest in racing nor in attending this group save your belief that we all MUST be convinced that racing is tainted. I hate to point this out, but there might just as likely be adverse reactions to simple vitamin injections as to autologous transfusions but then you probably already know that and this is simply your way of shaking the grass hut. But just out of curiosity - do you actually believe that anyone pays the slightest attention to anything you have to say anymore? I like Lafferty, he seems honest in his beliefs; I like Tom Kunich cause he answers my questions; I like trg cause everything is "candyass" although he has horrible taste in women (just kidding..une blague); I like that Gorilla guy cause he's just crazy, And the "dumbass" guy is funny and witty. Bob Martin is ok too, but all that math scares me. But my question is for Lafferty, cause he appears to be into the drug scandal pretty deep: A while ago it came out that Lance had invested some money into a lab that tests for drugs in cyclists, I don't know all the details, but do you think he did it to cover himself or so that other riders would not be able to use the drugs themselves and thus out-perform him? Andre |
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Tom Kunich wrote: There's the old Brian we all know and laugh at. The guy isn't crazy or anything. He's a bit Lance-dominated, but his take on doping is probably very very accurate. |
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