"Rigid Class System in Europe" Bob Roll Comments

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"Revtom" wrote in message
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The rigid class system in the US is rarely spoken of, and if one does
mention it, the neo-cons immediately cry out "class warfare!!". They
don't want any attention drawn to the rapidly disappearing middle class
of the US.

See? I told you that idiots are everywhere.

Why imagine the fright Europeans have when they discover that the median
income for the "lower" classes in a place where wages are very low -
Miami - are $35K/year.

What's more, 95% of ALL taxes are paid by the upper half of all income
earners.

Did you know that you can own your own home and have a new car and be on
welfare?

This is the class system that people in the United States are decrying.
Moreover, EVERY person in the USA can move up to the limits of their
ability if they wish. In Europe that simply isn't the case as you can
discover simply by talking to any factory worker.

Too bad that revtom doesn't understand what he doesn't understand.

Read and learn. http://www.classism.org/index.php

I suggest you shut you pie hole idiot. I came from the bottom of the class
system to rise to upper middle class. All along the way I met people who had
started at the bottom and become rich and in some cases famous. And all
along the way I watch people who started at the top with silver spoons in
their mouths become homeless dope addicts sleeping in doorways in Berkeley
and San Francisco.

You rose FAR above you ability and decry the fact that people finally
noticed.

Montesquiou wrote in message
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It is possible Sarkozy to became the next French President.
He is nothing but a son of an immigrant ....

He is nothing? Hmm, hasn't that already proven my point?

"Scott Johnson" wrote in message
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wrote
And you don't have to win lotto to become rich. Running a good pizza
restaurant or plumbing company can do the trick.

Something the people with a masters in 14th Century Eastern European
Library Systems who work at THAT person's pizza place will never grasp.

My great grandmother starved to death in Europe and today I live in a nice
house that I own in a nice neighborhood and have everything I want. I own my
own car, have no bills outside of the utilities and such and a good deal of
money in the bank.

Let's compare that to a woman I met in Paris - she works in an office, every
single cent she makes is earmarked. Her rent, her food (bought out because
her apartment doesn't have a kitchen nor any such facilities) her
transportation (good thing that the Paris subway system is one of the best
anywhere). Her total savings didn't amount of a single year's income.

Virtually every shop keeper in Paris I talked to had the same story. On the
other hand a bicycle shop owner in the USA in town nearby owns a house on
the hill with a view of San Francisco bay and the surrounding cities. His
house alone is worth more than a million dollars. He has an older car - a
collectors item really - that is in perfect condition. Several other
vehicles as well.

"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"Revtom" wrote in message
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The rigid class system in the US is rarely spoken of, and if one does
mention it, the neo-cons immediately cry out "class warfare!!". They
don't want any attention drawn to the rapidly disappearing middle class
of the US.

See? I told you that idiots are everywhere.

Why imagine the fright Europeans have when they discover that the median
income for the "lower" classes in a place where wages are very low -
Miami - are $35K/year.

What's more, 95% of ALL taxes are paid by the upper half of all income
earners.

Did you know that you can own your own home and have a new car and be on
welfare?

This is the class system that people in the United States are decrying.
Moreover, EVERY person in the USA can move up to the limits of their
ability if they wish. In Europe that simply isn't the case as you can
discover simply by talking to any factory worker.

Too bad that revtom doesn't understand what he doesn't understand.

Read and learn. http://www.classism.org/index.php

I suggest you shut you pie hole idiot. I came from the bottom of the class
system to rise to upper middle class. All along the way I met people who
had started at the bottom and become rich and in some cases famous. And
all along the way I watch people who started at the top with silver spoons
in their mouths become homeless dope addicts sleeping in doorways in
Berkeley and San Francisco.

You rose FAR above you ability and decry the fact that people finally
noticed.

You are such a ****ing idiot, Eunuch. If they gave a congressional medal of
honor for abject stupidity, you'd be the first winner, hands down. Now go
put your butt plug back in and give us a break here.

"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"Scott Johnson" wrote in message
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wrote
And you don't have to win lotto to become rich. Running a good pizza
restaurant or plumbing company can do the trick.

Something the people with a masters in 14th Century Eastern European
Library Systems who work at THAT person's pizza place will never grasp.

My great grandmother starved to death in Europe and today I live in a nice
house that I own in a nice neighborhood and have everything I want. I own
my own car, have no bills outside of the utilities and such and a good
deal of money in the bank.

Ya got a nice woman living with you?


Let's compare that to a woman I met in Paris - she works in an office,
every single cent she makes is earmarked. Her rent, her food (bought out
because her apartment doesn't have a kitchen nor any such facilities) her
transportation (good thing that the Paris subway system is one of the best
anywhere). Her total savings didn't amount of a single year's income.

She's in Paris, asshole. Did you ask her to come live with you in your nice
house in your nice neighborhood?


Virtually every shop keeper in Paris I talked to had the same story. On
the other hand a bicycle shop owner in the USA in town nearby owns a house
on the hill with a view of San Francisco bay and the surrounding cities.
His house alone is worth more than a million dollars. He has an older
car - a collectors item really - that is in perfect condition. Several
other vehicles as well.

Is he happy?

in 523553 20060817 151817 "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott Johnson" wrote in message
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wrote
And you don't have to win lotto to become rich. Running a good pizza
restaurant or plumbing company can do the trick.

Something the people with a masters in 14th Century Eastern European
Library Systems who work at THAT person's pizza place will never grasp.

My great grandmother starved to death in Europe and today I live in a nice
house that I own in a nice neighborhood and have everything I want. I own my
own car, have no bills outside of the utilities and such and a good deal of
money in the bank.

Let's compare that to a woman I met in Paris - she works in an office, every
single cent she makes is earmarked. Her rent, her food (bought out because
her apartment doesn't have a kitchen nor any such facilities) her
transportation (good thing that the Paris subway system is one of the best
anywhere). Her total savings didn't amount of a single year's income.

Virtually every shop keeper in Paris I talked to had the same story. On the
other hand a bicycle shop owner in the USA in town nearby owns a house on
the hill with a view of San Francisco bay and the surrounding cities. His
house alone is worth more than a million dollars. He has an older car - a
collectors item really - that is in perfect condition. Several other
vehicles as well.

To compare a wealthy man in one country with a struggling person in another
country is completely pointless. Should we now compare you with Alan Sugar
or a hundred other self-made men in Europe who pulled themselves up from
nothing?
Incidentally, I lived in the USA for a year and I saw poverty the like of which I have
never seen in Europe.

steve wrote:
On 16-Aug-2006, smacked up and reeling, Gabe Brovedani
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

hey, that's insulting

Of course, one can read more widely and get closer to the truth. The
recent Economist article has already been cited. Here are others:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0127/p21s01-coop.html


A distinction should be made between the ability and opportunity for one to
ascend socially/economically and the actual practice of doing so. If one is
content to suck the public teat, make no effort, and gain no ground...well
that is certainly a failure of govt policy and personal initiative, but not
necessarily one of economic and class structure. The CSM article doesnt
draw this distinction.

Hey, I agree, which is why you should have read the last linked article
which made your very point, among others. Who's an incoherently blind
formula now?

Gabe Brovedani

"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"Revtom" wrote in message
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This is the class system that people in the United States are decrying.
Moreover, EVERY person in the USA can move up to the limits of their
ability if they wish. In Europe that simply isn't the case as you can
discover simply by talking to any factory worker.

Or you simply tell us how much you know about Europe by telling us where we
can get those phonak cell phones? And how many people get tested during a
Tour stage? Your spreading of nonsense is quite remarkable, but what's even
more remarkable that you seem to believe it. I mean even things like so
easily verified as how many they test. Why do you insist making stuff up
when every one else knows it's nonsense?

On 17-Aug-2006, smacked up and reeling, Gabe Brovedani
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

On 16-Aug-2006, smacked up and reeling, Gabe Brovedani

blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

hey, that's insulting

Dont be insulted. I have my browser set up to generate that message for
everyone. Think of it as a longer, more creative way of saying "dumbass".

A distinction should be made between the ability and opportunity for one
to
ascend socially/economically and the actual practice of doing so. If
one is
content to suck the public teat, make no effort, and gain no
ground...well
that is certainly a failure of govt policy and personal initiative, but
not
necessarily one of economic and class structure. The CSM article doesnt
draw this distinction.

Hey, I agree, which is why you should have read the last linked article
which made your very point, among others. Who's an incoherently blind
formula now?

A decent article with reasonable conclusions.

steve
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
James Joyce

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:24:17 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:

Incidentally, I lived in the USA for a year and I saw poverty the like of which I have
never seen in Europe.

Very possibly true, but people often don't see what is in front of
them. When international news reported the fire in the Paris tenement
last year or the year before, we had people deny that the tenement
existed or that any minority was living in the manner described. Their
proof was that they lived in Paris and knew it wasn't true.

Guess the photos were done by the same people that did the faked lunar
landings.

In the end, what is wrong somewhere else doesn't really explain away
anything wrong where you can make a difference. Bragging on the best
relative poverty is about as silly an approach as I can imagine.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...