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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: You think team sponsors who are going nuts spending money to get their name into the most televised and photographed bike race in the world wouldnt' care if some "lower-level" rider is riding something different? Wow. Long history of that, actually. Especially in climbs and TT. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Jul 10, 12:59*pm, Scott wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:29*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: The odds for any given rider using a steel frame is not 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 or whatever. *It's 50/50. Is this a joke? No. *It's really quite binary. *Either a rider IS or IS NOT riding a steel frame. Holy ****! I'm buying lottery tickets now that I know my odds of winning are binary! I'm either going to win, or not. 50/50! -Paul |
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On Jul 10, 12:59*pm, Scott wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:29*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: The odds for any given rider using a steel frame is not 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 or whatever. *It's 50/50. Is this a joke? No. *It's really quite binary. *Either a rider IS or IS NOT riding a steel frame. *Any attempt at bringing in the odds based on what a sampling of riders may or may not ride may be relevant to you deciding whether or not it's likely that a rider may be using a particular frame, but... for any given rider, it is as simple as IS or IS NOT. So, when you mis-attribute the likelyhood of a given rider riding a steel frame as far less likely than that (like your 1 in 1000 odds) and then try to apply that to the 180 riders at the start of the Tour and come up with something absurd like 1 in 1,000,000 or less, you aren't really applying the proper probability. *It makes your argument look stronger to someone who doesn't understand odds, but it's not valid. Consider the question of whether RBR Chief Statistician Robert Chung just threw up in his mouth a little. There are only two possible outcomes, but the odds I would place on the two outcomes are not 50/50. Ben Odds aren't even. That's why they call them odds. |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:33:34 -0500, A Muzi
wrote: -snip frames- John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: You think team sponsors who are going nuts spending money to get their name into the most televised and photographed bike race in the world wouldnt' care if some "lower-level" rider is riding something different? Wow. Long history of that, actually. Especially in climbs and TT. Among lower-level riders? Riding technology that is not cutting-edge but rather older than what the team wants them to ride? I dont' think so. This steel thing is not like some top pro painting a carbon Vitus to look like a steel Raleigh in the late 1980s (which I've seen first-hand) or Lance Armstrong riding a re-baded Litespeed TT bike instead of a Trek (photos). |
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Dear RJ, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: Dear Carl. Donald Munro wrote: All these dears. This place is beginning to sound like a gay tea party. Tea? I didn't see any 'tea' reference -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:39:28 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:36:18 -0600, wrote: Were you ignorant or not? Sure, I was ignorant. I was ignoring your later posting because they were tiresome and unclear. Incidentally, have you caught up yet? Will I ever? Or do you want to tell me to shut up again if I haven't put 7 more pounds on my bike for your education? If you haven't, you should certainly shut up. I think you should shut up in regardless. Dear John, If you wanted me to shut up, why did you repeatedly write posts asking me to add 7 pounds to my bike and then fall silent when I did so and posted the results? Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:43:50 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:39:28 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:36:18 -0600, wrote: Were you ignorant or not? Sure, I was ignorant. I was ignoring your later posting because they were tiresome and unclear. Incidentally, have you caught up yet? Will I ever? Or do you want to tell me to shut up again if I haven't put 7 more pounds on my bike for your education? If you haven't, you should certainly shut up. I think you should shut up in regardless. Dear John, If you wanted me to shut up, why did you repeatedly write posts asking me to add 7 pounds to my bike and then fall silent when I did so and posted the results? Dear Carl er cheers Dear In this thread I didn't ask you to. I asked if you did. Dear er cheers is that er clear Cheers? |
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