Training or Plain Riding?

Tom Kunich wrote:

But then inheritance babies seldom develop any intelligence
since they have no need for it.


The election's OVER. You damned liberals can get off GW's back any time
now. It's done. Move on, as they say.

On Dec 8, 3:43*pm, dave a wrote:

*Cycling is geek heaven.

only sort of.

only newbies and freds obsess over equipment. anyone who's raced for a
while is used to being around high end equipment and isn't that amazed
by it.

Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 8, 3:43 pm, dave a wrote:

Cycling is geek heaven.

only sort of.

only newbies and freds obsess over equipment. anyone who's raced for a
while is used to being around high end equipment and isn't that amazed
by it.

Doesn't Lance obsess about equipment?

On Dec 9, 6:49*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

only newbies and freds obsess over equipment. anyone who's raced for a
while is used to being around high end equipment and isn't that amazed
by it.

Doesn't Lance obsess about equipment?

dumbass,

obviously every racer wants fast and reliable equipment, but i
guarantee he doesn't engage campy vs. shimano debates or lecture
people about why threaded steerers are superior.

On Dec 9, 4:09*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 9, 6:49*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

only newbies and freds obsess over equipment. anyone who's raced for a
while is used to being around high end equipment and isn't that amazed
by it.

Doesn't Lance obsess about equipment?

dumbass,

obviously every racer wants fast and reliable equipment, but i
guarantee he doesn't engage campy vs. shimano debates or lecture
people about why threaded steerers are superior.




Dumbass -


I have to agree with Amit. It tends to be the newbies/Freds who obsess
about equipment.

There are exceptions to the rule, but after awhile most racers figure
out that with the exception of time trialing, it's all about the skill/
fitness, not equipment.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Dec 9, 7:28*pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dumbass -

I have to agree with Amit. It tends to be the newbies/Freds who obsess
about equipment.

There are exceptions to the rule, but after awhile most racers figure
out that with the exception of time trialing, it's all about the skill/
fitness, not equipment.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

The other side of that is unless they are getting bikes from a
sponsor, experienced racers, especially crit types, know they are
going to wreck bikes and equipment and itr makes no sense to spend
huge dollars out of their own pockets for unobtainium and super
expensive carbon. Know at least one who has a couple of top end
Colnagos they ride to train and for fun, but wouldn't risk racing in a
million years.
Bill C

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message
...

I have to agree with Amit. It tends to be the newbies/Freds who obsess
about equipment.

Obviously you don't understand that the "best" stuff is only good for a year
or so now.

There are exceptions to the rule, but after awhile most racers figure
out that with the exception of time trialing, it's all about the skill/
fitness, not equipment.

Most of us buy good equipment because we think it is good equipment. Having
it come apart after 12 months is sort of disillusioning.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Dec 9, 4:09 pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 9, 6:49 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

only newbies and freds obsess over equipment. anyone who's raced for a
while is used to being around high end equipment and isn't that amazed
by it.
Doesn't Lance obsess about equipment?
dumbass,

obviously every racer wants fast and reliable equipment, but i
guarantee he doesn't engage campy vs. shimano debates or lecture
people about why threaded steerers are superior.




Dumbass -


I have to agree with Amit. It tends to be the newbies/Freds who obsess
about equipment.

There are exceptions to the rule, but after awhile most racers figure
out that with the exception of time trialing, it's all about the skill/
fitness, not equipment.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.


Lance is an exception to the rule. Or is he? Very, very few racers are
in a position to tell the team what they want with regard to equipment
design or choices or in a position to expect the team to comply with
their wishes. This was probably a little different back in the day of
steel frames though. Even Allessandro Ballan had to do with some sort of
cobbled together frame with upside down cyclocross seatstays for Paris
Roubaix.

Lance chose to "regress" from the Trek frame with the seat tube
fin/fairing back to a round tube. He also stayed with the old Look style
pedals that Shimano didn't even sell anymore instead of the SPDs that
Shimano had on the market. How many other riders have that kind of
leverage/pull? Lance and only a few others are the proverbial 800 pound
gorillas. Who knows how many other riders would like to make tweaks to
their equipment, but know that they just have to ride what the team
gives them? That's not to say that team issued equipment can't get the
job done, clearly it can, but if pro riders want to have customized
training programs, why would they not _want_ to have customized bikes?

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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Who knows how many other riders would like to make tweaks to their
equipment, but know that they just have to ride what the team gives them?

Carl, let's remember that most riders aren't capable of making intelligent
decisions so it is probably best that they don't have a say in equipment.

Tom Kunich wrote:
"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
news
Who knows how many other riders would like to make tweaks to their
equipment, but know that they just have to ride what the team gives them?

Carl, let's remember that most riders aren't capable of making
intelligent decisions so it is probably best that they don't have a say
in equipment.


Both Shaun Wallace, who admittedly has an engineering degree, and Harvey
Nitz have built their own carbon frames (and that was roughly 15 years
ago). Nitz helped Serotta design the headset used on the '84 pursuit
bikes. These guys are not like bimbo singer/actor/actresses who claim to
design signature fragrances or clothes. Nitz was always tweaking his
bikes. Some riders have valuable, thoughtful suggestions and innovations
and sometimes (like you suggest) they simply have too much free time on
their hands. Other riders are happy riding whatever they have.