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Training or Plain Riding?
On Dec 10, 1:07*am, Fred Fredburger
wrote: The word "good" is sometimes misleading. Expensive and "good" are not always the same things. Also, "good" for racing up the Alps in the TdF is not always "good" for riding on crappy urban roads. If instead of using those bearings as an example, I wonder whether more people would have agreed with you if you'd chosen tires. I know a LOT of people who maintain a separate wheelset because they know that their expensive racing tires wont take the punishment of training rides. This is not so much a question of which is "best" as it is a matter of serving the particular purpose.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't think I know anyone who races even vaguely seriously that doesn't do this. I know most of the established Jr. coaches around here will tell the kids and parents that, both to conserve equipment and save money. As both you and Tom point out though the race stuff tends to be lighter, faster, AND more fragile. I've been amazed at how well an old set of Dura-Ace wheels, along with Michelin Pro Race tires have held up with a kid bike commuting to work on them. Yes, he's a complete Fred. Bill C |
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"Fred Fredburger" wrote in message
... If instead of using those bearings as an example, I wonder whether more people would have agreed with you if you'd chosen tires. The fact is that although I ride a lot I shouldn't wear out wheel bearings in two years. And I've done this with three different specialty hubs. Is it strange that I haven't done that with Campy or Shimano hubs? |
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... some are the result of people taking lightweight performance gear that's intended to last six months of road riding under a 120 pound Anorexic Drew Carey with a professional mechanic, and riding it for years over potholes under fat asses without maintaining it or checking for problems. Gee, you don't suppose that's what I'm talking about do you? Yet if you go into a bike shop you'll find the staff trying to sell those "light weight performance gear" wheels. Part of the problem is that they want to sell something more expensive. But a lot of the problem is that there aren't many wheels available that are designed for hard use and still be good training wheels. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
Carl, let's remember that most riders aren't capable of making intelligent decisions so it is probably best that they don't have a say in equipment. This post represents what your biggest problem is Tom. You have unrealistic ideas as to your own intelligence and you truly believe that no one is as smart as you. Good thing for the rest of humanity that you are wrong on both counts. Thanks Bill |
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"Ted van de Weteringe" wrote in message
... John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:09:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh wrote: http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=3Dfullstory&id=3D6180 "Server object error 'ASP 0228 : 80004005' Lost in translation: those "3D"-s got into it somewhere between Google Groups and Agent. Try http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6180 Did they give the weight of that thing anywhere in that article? |
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On Dec 10, 10:29*am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
" wrote in message ... some are the result of people taking lightweight performance gear that's intended to last six months of road riding under a 120 pound Anorexic Drew Carey with a professional mechanic, and riding it for years over potholes under fat asses without maintaining it or checking for problems. Gee, you don't suppose that's what I'm talking about do you? Yet if you go into a bike shop you'll find the staff trying to sell those "light weight performance gear" wheels. Part of the problem is that they want to sell something more expensive. But a lot of the problem is that there aren't many wheels available that are designed for hard use and still be good training wheels. Hey Tom If I can't kill 'em their unkillable and we, me and our great local shop, have settled into mavic open pros or ma 40s, 32 spokes, with ultegra hubs and I was able to ride those for years here on the frost heaved, potholed roads, at an obscene weight for anything on a bicycle, and they are still holding up, couple of sets got used by the kids for cross too. Not sure most shops are going to push that kind of combo since it's not "sexy", just durable, reliable, and a solid value. Bill C |
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Bill C wrote:
Hey Tom If I can't kill 'em their unkillable and we, me and our great local shop, have settled into mavic open pros My favorites. The only sure way of knocking them out of true is to put 'em in a bag and let the airline baggage handlers at 'em. |
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"Bill C" wrote in message
... If I can't kill 'em their unkillable and we, me and our great local shop, have settled into mavic open pros or ma 40s, 32 spokes, with ultegra hubs and I was able to ride those for years here on the frost heaved, potholed roads, at an obscene weight for anything on a bicycle, and they are still holding up, couple of sets got used by the kids for cross too. Not sure most shops are going to push that kind of combo since it's not "sexy", just durable, reliable, and a solid value. I never had any problems with such a set-up either. But I fell for the specialty wheel idea pretty hard and I have almost a dozen sets of them. And most of those have the undersized bearings pioneered by American Classic. They roll nicely and of course the hubs are all very light but they do wear out rather rapidly under a 200 lber. |
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"William R. Mattil" wrote in message
... Tom Kunich wrote: Carl, let's remember that most riders aren't capable of making intelligent decisions so it is probably best that they don't have a say in equipment. This post represents what your biggest problem is Tom. You have unrealistic ideas as to your own intelligence and you truly believe that no one is as smart as you. Good thing for the rest of humanity that you are wrong on both counts. The real problem here is that you probably haven't built bicycles for young racers. I've built professional racing motorcycles - flattrack, motocross and road racers - as well as road racing bicycles used for racing around the USA circuits. Most racers don't know anything about bicycles other than how to pedal but some of them are more than willing to tell you what needs to be done and most of the time it is ridiculous. That doesn't mean that you don't listen because sometimes the rider knows exactly what needs to be done, but unfortunately it is rare. So tell me - why is it that knowing something to you means thinking I know everything? |
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On Dec 10, 2:32*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Bill C" wrote in message ... If I can't kill 'em their unkillable and we, me and our great local shop, have settled into mavic open pros or ma 40s, 32 spokes, with ultegra hubs and I was able to ride those for years here on the frost heaved, potholed roads, at an obscene weight for anything on a bicycle, and they are still holding up, couple of sets got used by the kids for cross too. Not sure most shops are going to push that kind of combo since it's not "sexy", just durable, reliable, and a solid value. I never had any problems with such a set-up either. But I fell for the specialtywheelidea pretty hard and I have almost a dozen sets of them. And most of those have the undersized bearings pioneered by American Classic. They roll nicely and of course the hubs are all very light but they do wear out rather rapidly under a 200 lber. A search of rec.bicycles.* reveals that in the last year, only three other threads contains the three words "wheel", "bearing" and "failure" and none of them describe an issue with cartridge bearings. This indicates that wheel bearing failures like you describe are not rampant. Just like there was no "complete destruction of the American electronics industry". You lack perspective. Bret |
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