Did RBR cover this already?

On Jan 4, 11:53*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
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On Jan 4, 7:25 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:37 pm, Anton Berlin wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...rance.cycling1

Untrained Kenyan cyclists ride the Alpe

Bahati must be behind this.

it might be just a matter of time before pro teams start to notice and
start to cherry pick some of the best from africa; would be great too

You've never raced have you?

I've known people who raced for several years and STILL rode like they
were bat**** crazy. They were in great shape, but frighteningly
unaware. Some people just aren't cut out for some things. I don't know
how you'd know ahead of time.

Hmm, did you somehow miss the subject of the conversation? Our friend
raamman doesn't seem to know the difference between doing 4 or more cat
1 or better passes and then climbing an hors category climb and someone
just climbing one climb.

But even if you didn't win that point, it remains true that there's more
to racing than simply riding up hills. The ability to stay upright,
while helpful, eludes some pretty high profile guys. Tactics too. In a
grand tour, the ability to eat sufficiently and properly for 3 weeks is
a big deal. Etc.

I agree with you. When raaman speaks of cherry picking the best
endurance athletes from Africa and turning them into cyclists, he's
oversimplifying. Gonna have to start a lot younger than the 24 year olds
in the story quoted above.



Dumbass -


If some team started an academy in Kenya, tested a bunch of 20 year
olds, then cherrypicked the best of the lot, I'll bet they could mold
some pretty badass mountain goats.

It'd take a few years. Even a 24 year old isn't too old though if they
had a running background. Remember Mike Engleman? There's also a lot
of examples of female cyclists who started as runners. I'm sure Bruce
could fill you in.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Jan 4, 11:53*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
"Fred Fredburger" wrote in
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Tom Kunich wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 7:25 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:37 pm, Anton Berlin wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...rance.cycling1

Untrained Kenyan cyclists ride the Alpe

Bahati must be behind this.

it might be just a matter of time before pro teams start to notice and
start to cherry pick some of the best from africa; would be great too

You've never raced have you?

I've known people who raced for several years and STILL rode like they
were bat**** crazy. They were in great shape, but frighteningly
unaware. Some people just aren't cut out for some things. I don't know
how you'd know ahead of time.

Hmm, did you somehow miss the subject of the conversation? Our friend
raamman doesn't seem to know the difference between doing 4 or more cat
1 or better passes and then climbing an hors category climb and someone
just climbing one climb.

But even if you didn't win that point, it remains true that there's more
to racing than simply riding up hills. The ability to stay upright,
while helpful, eludes some pretty high profile guys. Tactics too. In a
grand tour, the ability to eat sufficiently and properly for 3 weeks is
a big deal. Etc.

I agree with you. When raaman speaks of cherry picking the best
endurance athletes from Africa and turning them into cyclists, he's
oversimplifying. Gonna have to start a lot younger than the 24 year olds
in the story quoted above.

Dumbass -

If some team started an academy in Kenya, tested a bunch of 20 year
olds, then cherrypicked the best of the lot, I'll bet they could mold
some pretty badass mountain goats.

It'd take a few years. Even a 24 year old isn't too old though if they
had a running background. Remember Mike Engleman? There's also a lot
of examples of female cyclists who started as runners. I'm sure Bruce
could fill you in.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

The problem is Kenyans get their advantage in running from living and training at
8,000+ feet above sea level. You can't train like that on a bike in Kenya.

Running is more about low body weight than cycling. We'll never see a Kenyan
win the Tour de France in our lifetime. Not even a stage.

You people are dumb.

Magilla

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:10:48 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote:

We'll never see a Kenyan
win the Tour de France in our lifetime. Not even a stage.

I thought winning a stage in the Tour of France isn't winning
anything?

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:10:48 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote:
We'll never see a Kenyan
win the Tour de France in our lifetime. Not even a stage.

What about Chris Froome? Longshot but possible.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:10:48 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote:

We'll never see a Kenyan
win the Tour de France in our lifetime. Not even a stage.

I thought winning a stage in the Tour of France isn't winning
anything?

You are correct and apparently caught me in a mistake. I beg
forgiveness.

Magilla

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
If some team started an academy in Kenya, tested a bunch of 20 year
olds, then cherrypicked the best of the lot, I'll bet they could mold
some pretty badass mountain goats.

They tried it with Kenyans doing cyclocross in Belgium, the school was
run by Roger De Vlaeminck. It didn't work out.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:10:48 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote:
We'll never see a Kenyan
win the Tour de France in our lifetime. Not even a stage.

What about Chris Froome? Longshot but possible.

Nobody named Chris will ever win the Tour de France.

Magilla

On Jan 5, 4:06*am, Susan Walker wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
If some team started an academy in Kenya, tested a bunch of 20 year
olds, then cherrypicked the best of the lot, I'll bet they could mold
some pretty badass mountain goats.

They tried it with Kenyans doing cyclocross in Belgium, the school was
run by Roger De Vlaeminck. It didn't work out.



Dumbass -


Cyclocross requires too much skill. That'd be the last discipline to
try for that project.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
Cyclocross requires too much skill. That'd be the last discipline to
try for that project.

The idea was that it also includes running, of which they are already
masters. But, yeah.

Sorry, it was Zimbabwe not Kenya. They got a reality tv show out of it,
4 years running: http://www.vtm.be/allezallezzimbabwe/

In article ,
Susan Walker wrote:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
Cyclocross requires too much skill. That'd be the last discipline to
try for that project.

The idea was that it also includes running, of which they are already
masters. But, yeah.

Sorry, it was Zimbabwe not Kenya. They got a reality tv show out of it,
4 years running: http://www.vtm.be/allezallezzimbabwe/

Well, heck. If I lived in Zimbabwe I'd probably claim to be good at CX
too!

But I agree with Gringioni: CX doesn't include as much running as people
think, and includes a lot of technical skills. If I was starting with
unskilled (but aerobically gifted) athletes, I'd probably try
TTing/pursuit first, followed by climbing specialists.

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