Novitzky gets the Ball rolling

On Jun 25, 8:49*pm, "i,Fred" wrote:
rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.



Dumbass -

The BALCO case is relevant. The two cases share the same agent.

BALCO was much more serious. There was an ongoing drug research and
manufacturing facility.

I doubt much will come from the current Floyd stuff *unless* some of
the accused really were involved in an actual distribution ring *and*
it's provable with hard evidence, ie. paper trail.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

On Jun 25, 9:11*pm, rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:49*pm, "i,Fred" wrote:





rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. *No evidence of
doping, no case. *If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. *In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. *As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

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Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

On Jun 25, 9:45*pm, DA74 wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:11*pm, rickhopkins wrote:



On Jun 25, 8:49*pm, "i,Fred" wrote:

rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. *No evidence of
doping, no case. *If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. *In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. *As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

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Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick

On Jun 25, 10:03*pm, rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:45*pm, DA74 wrote:





On Jun 25, 9:11*pm, rickhopkins wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:49*pm, "i,Fred" wrote:

rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. *No evidence of
doping, no case. *If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. *In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. *As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. *My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. *In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. *I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) *and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. *No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. *Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. *If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. *I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

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Big Cat,
Thanks for the advice. Now here's some for you:
http://www.towson.edu/ows/exercisethen.htm
http://www.towson.edu/ows/exerciseaffect.htm
http://www.towson.edu/ows/exercisetwo.htm
http://www.towson.edu/ows/exerciseapos.htm

Good Luck,
DA74

PS - Sierra Nevada? That's cliche my friend - you're trying too hard.
It's Full Sail for bros in the know.

On 6/26/2010 1:03 AM, rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:45 pm, wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:11 pm, wrote:



On Jun 25, 8:49 pm, wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. Want to bet he is still lying. When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. No evidence of
doping, no case. If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick
My friend, it already has gone somewhere. What some of the tifosi fail
to understand is that to obtain a criminal search warrant the US
Attorney has to make a sworn application to a US Federal judge or
magistrate. While grand juries may indict ham sandwiches, federal judges
do not issue criminal search warrants absent a probable cause showing.
They do take the privacy rights of suspects rather seriously when
considering warrant applications.

That said, there was enough of a showing of FACTS here on which to issue
a warrant. That is significant. That the warrant is under seal means
that the entire doping community will be wondering who has talked and
what the feds know. The pressure on them is being ramped up
exponentially.

What I'm interested to know is what communication, if any, there has
been between the feds and their counterparts in France. Stay tuned.

On Jun 25, 10:49*pm, DA74 wrote:
On Jun 25, 10:03*pm, rickhopkins wrote:



On Jun 25, 9:45*pm, DA74 wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:11*pm, rickhopkins wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:49*pm, "i,Fred" wrote:

rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. *No evidence of
doping, no case. *If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. *In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. *As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. *My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. *In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. *I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) *and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. *No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. *Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. *If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. *I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Big Cat,
Thanks for the advice. Now here's some for you:http://www.towson.edu/ows/exerciseth...erciseapos.htm

Good Luck,
DA74

PS - Sierra Nevada? That's cliche my friend - you're trying too hard.
It's Full Sail for bros in the know.

No, my colleagues in Fort Collins note that even brewers at New
Belgium admit SN is still the standard. Brewers know, those peons
such as your self are simply try and be cool. Go to Chico sometime
and try the beers on tap, the ones you cannot find in the stores.

Check it out.

On Jun 26, 6:10*am, "B. Lafferty" wrote:
On 6/26/2010 1:03 AM, rickhopkins wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:45 pm, *wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:11 pm, *wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:49 pm, *wrote:

*wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton *wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. *No evidence of
doping, no case. *If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. *In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. *As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. *My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. *In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. *I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) *and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. *No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. *Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. *If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. *I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick

My friend, it already has gone somewhere. *What some of the tifosi fail
to understand is that to obtain a criminal search warrant the US
Attorney has to make a sworn application to a US Federal judge or
magistrate. While grand juries may indict ham sandwiches, federal judges
do not issue criminal search warrants absent a probable cause showing.
They do take the privacy rights of suspects rather seriously when
considering warrant applications.

That said, there was enough of a showing of FACTS here on which to issue
a warrant. *That is significant. *That the warrant is under seal means
that the entire doping community will be wondering who has talked and
what the feds know. *The pressure on them is being ramped up
exponentially.

What I'm interested to know is what communication, if any, there has
been between the feds and their counterparts in France. *Stay tuned.

Ummm, who raced for Rock Racing, yeah Tyler Hamilton who was caught
and busted (at least twice) maybe even some others on the team have a
shady past, i don't remember. Did Tyler race with Lance - yeah, will
in implicate Lance, he could but I doubt it. Wake me when they get to
somebody of interest (Hincapie, Lepiheimer, Armstrong, etc.). And I
mean more than simply questioning them, they have to and have no real
choice not to at the moment. And talking to counterparts in France
and other counteries- that is a no brainer, since 95% of the race
season occurs in Europe, if they didn't it would be much of an
investigation would it. Again you state the obvious and make it seem
extraordinaire. It ain't yet, I give it a 20 to 35% prob it will get
problematic for the big names. I will wait awhile.

Rick

On Jun 26, 8:10*am, "B. Lafferty" wrote:
On 6/26/2010 1:03 AM, rickhopkins wrote:



On Jun 25, 9:45 pm, *wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:11 pm, *wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:49 pm, *wrote:

*wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton *wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. *Want to bet he is still lying. *When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. *Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). *If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. *You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. *No evidence of
doping, no case. *If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. *In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. *As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. *My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. *In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. *I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) *and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. *No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. *Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. *If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. *I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick

My friend, it already has gone somewhere. *What some of the tifosi fail
to understand is that to obtain a criminal search warrant the US
Attorney has to make a sworn application to a US Federal judge or
magistrate. While grand juries may indict ham sandwiches, federal judges
do not issue criminal search warrants absent a probable cause showing.
They do take the privacy rights of suspects rather seriously when
considering warrant applications.

So, I wonder if the judge who issued said warrant(s) this time is
another holy-roller anti-doper who is ignoring Novitsky's loose-cannon
behavior IRT BALCO.
Someone other than Judge Susan Illston, IOW:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=li-arodlegal020909

Damn, jail time for everybody!
In that case, I'd probably want to be an athlete or maybe even a
manufacturer/distributor than, say, a (former) government employee.

That said, there was enough of a showing of FACTS here on which to issue
a warrant. *That is significant. *That the warrant is under seal means
that the entire doping community will be wondering who has talked and
what the feds know. *The pressure on them is being ramped up
exponentially.

What I'm interested to know is what communication, if any, there has
been between the feds and their counterparts in France. *Stay tuned.

It's almost here. Don't spoil your taste for brandy and cigars-- or
was it champagne this time?-- in anticipation. g
--D--y

On 6/26/2010 9:57 AM, rickhopkins wrote:
On Jun 26, 6:10 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/26/2010 1:03 AM, rickhopkins wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:45 pm, wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:11 pm, wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:49 pm, wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:38=A0pm, Anton wrote:
I am going to open some Champagne - great news.
More likely only Landis will go to jail for continuing to lie - if
I
am not mistaken he still claims not to have taken synthetic
testosterone at the TDF so either he is lying or he was correct and
the test was wrong. Want to bet he is still lying. When the feds
have no hard evidence on anyone else, they will slip away. Keep in
mind they just lost an important appeal in the Barry Bonds case last
week, that case is evaporating unless they can win the next appeal
(what another yr to 1.5 yrs and several experts have noted every day
that goes by without a trial the harder a conviction will be). If
you
can't convict Bonds, don't hold to much hope for this mini adventure
will shake much loose. You may want to keep the cork in it for now.

Rick,
First off, this case has nothing to do with BALCO
so any comparison on the merits of one based on the
other is meaningless. Different circumstances,
different sports, different players - only the genre
is the same.

Secondly, the feds are not interested in prosecuting
athletes for doping. That is a well established fact,
so don't get your hopes up for Floyd taking the perp
walk anytime soon. As has already been discussed here,
the investigation is looking into the misappropriation
of funds as they relate to organized doping practices.

i,Fred

I, Fred,

You are naive to believe this is not about drugs. No evidence of
doping, no case. If Floyd has taken them down a wild goose chase (and
as I already noted he is probably still lying as he claims not to have
taken synthetic testosterone) and wasted fed $, believe me after the
Balco case if they have nothing to show for their effort (which is
what I suspect will happen regardless of guilt), Floyd my become
someones bitch. In some respects, the feds have no alternative but to
investigate, that is not the same thing as there is evidence to
indite. As I said don't pop the corks just yet.

Rick- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rickster,
You've got to stop posting while drinking, and if you're going to do
it anyway then let's swap the Smirnoff for some Stoli. You deserve it
bro. And don't even think about going down whisky road - you see where
that got our friend Floyd (but if you're in the market for some
southern hospitality then pick up some Jeremiah Weed).

Anyway, I digress. Now as far as the matter at hand, of course the
case is about drugs. Novitsky works for the FDA for ****sake and we
sure as **** know this ain't about food unless we're looking in the
pantry to see if Jan is still stuffing his face full of Svenhards
butter horns.

With all that established you can bet your Assos lederhosen that
nobody but nobody on the home team is going to spend any of your hard
earned tax dollars without having a pretty good ****ing clue that
there's something rotten in Denmark if you insist on using BALCO as a
benchmark. Now that might be news to you but it ain't news to anyone
who's spent any trigger time as a carbon cowboy.

At this point it's just a matter of scaring the **** out of everyone
with subpoenas, quizzical looks and endless simple questions over a
dimly lit table in a room with no windows to see who sings first. I'll
tell you right now, it's not going to be hard to get these guys to
roll over and corroborate Floyd's story. There's just too much at risk
on the downside and too many of them at this point - the tide has
turned. I'm very interested in what the boys in the Vaughters camp
will come out with, given that they have carte-blance immunity from
turtleneck Doug as far as job security goes.
-DA74

Its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

I believe, Novitsky cut his teeth on BALCO, and if you think what has
or will happen with Bonds has no affect on how serious this
investigation becomes, than you live on another planet. My suspicion
is that when things start working there way through, Floyds dates and
recollections about who was where and so on will be all messed up. In
the end, unless the feds can get someone to turn, with evidence, don't
expect much. I bring up Bonds, because it is pretty obvious he is
guilty (he admits to taking the clear and cream just thought they were
flaxseed oil) and the feds case is getting weaker by the day. No
evidence, no case, wasted $ and some supervisor will cut this pretty
quick if it goes nowhere.

You have way to much time on your hands. Don't wet your self
expecting this to go anywhere. If no one turns, it dies and Floyd may
be the feds scapegoat. I have no dog to hunt in this one, just not
too worked up over an investigation starting that the feds have no
alternative but to do.

Given your random ramblings I suggest you should take up drinking if
you haven't already.

Rick

My friend, it already has gone somewhere. What some of the tifosi fail
to understand is that to obtain a criminal search warrant the US
Attorney has to make a sworn application to a US Federal judge or
magistrate. While grand juries may indict ham sandwiches, federal judges
do not issue criminal search warrants absent a probable cause showing.
They do take the privacy rights of suspects rather seriously when
considering warrant applications.

That said, there was enough of a showing of FACTS here on which to issue
a warrant. That is significant. That the warrant is under seal means
that the entire doping community will be wondering who has talked and
what the feds know. The pressure on them is being ramped up
exponentially.

What I'm interested to know is what communication, if any, there has
been between the feds and their counterparts in France. Stay tuned.

Ummm, who raced for Rock Racing, yeah Tyler Hamilton who was caught
and busted (at least twice) maybe even some others on the team have a
shady past, i don't remember.

Hamilton, Botero, Sevilla. Hamilton will hopefully think twice before
lying to federal investigators or in front of a Grand Jury if subpoenaed
to testify. If he's granted immunity to testify, as I expect he would
be, that could lead to some significant information corroborating or
expanding on what Landis has revealed. There are a plethora of riders
and staff the feds will be interviewing and/or subpoenaing to testify.
Frankly, this has to be Lance, Johan and Thom's worst nightmare come to
life. Armstrong has been rather quiet lately on the slam Landis front.
Can't imagine why.

I wonder whether interviewing Lance and Johan will be outsourced to
French law enforcement this July. I can think of reasons for and
against doing so. Now that criminal search warrants have started to be
issued, I'm inclined to believe Armstrong and friends will not be
interrogated during the Tour, at least not at the behest of the feds.

Did Tyler race with Lance - yeah, will
in implicate Lance, he could but I doubt it. Wake me when they get to
somebody of interest (Hincapie, Lepiheimer, Armstrong, etc.).

I wonder how much Odessa knows. That would be a fun interrogation in
France. Levi could ask Rumsas how to handle that one.


And I
mean more than simply questioning them, they have to and have no real
choice not to at the moment. And talking to counterparts in France
and other counteries- that is a no brainer, since 95% of the race
season occurs in Europe, if they didn't it would be much of an
investigation would it. Again you state the obvious and make it seem
extraordinaire. It ain't yet, I give it a 20 to 35% prob it will get
problematic for the big names. I will wait awhile.

Rick

On Jun 26, 10:51*am, "B. Lafferty" wrote:


Frankly, this has to be Lance, Johan and Thom's worst nightmare come to
life. *Armstrong has been rather quiet lately on the slam Landis front.
* Can't imagine why.

dumbass,

what does mr. diesel jeans have to do with lance armstrong ?

this isn't going to be about armstrong.

http://eightplustwo.com/2010/02/18/p...ibuting-drugs/