Triathlism: an incredibly unserious sport

On Jan 4, 9:30*am, Anton Berlin wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:31*am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."





wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:22*pm, TriGuru55x11 wrote:

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:52:05 -0800 (PST), Ryan Cousineau wrote:
On Jan 3, 11:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:05 am, Fred Flintstein
wrote:

On 1/3/2011 7:11 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:

Ryan - I think you're wrong. Train for and do an ironman - it's a
****ing bitch.

Dumbass,

Hard != Serious

For example, RAAM is hard.

Dumbass -

Triathlon is serious.

There's a decent amount of money at stake. $$$ brings out the
seriousness.

In theory I can believe that. This interview was empirical evidence
you're wrong.

As painful as that video was to watch that, I still want to thank you..

That hit me hard and this for me was a real "moment of truth" "wake up and
smell the taint" kind of realization, I think I learned some valuable
things to help further train my clients.

I don't usually read this board and it is good to see there's worthwhile
information being posted.

Dumbass -

If you're a triathlete, it's a good idea to not read this board.
Triathletes handle this place about as well as they do riding in the
middle of a pack.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge -

1. Good triathletes are as elite as any cyclist ( I saw number of them
turn in 54 minute TTs on a hilly multi corner bad pavement course) and
that's after the swim in 60 degree lake water! * Those guys would have
easily won every state championship tt that year.)

2. We barely talk about cycling anyway

3. His rants will probably be better than Ed Dolans

4. And you're ****ing swimming anyway so maybe you should be in the
tri forums

Some of them are truly monsters. They do one thing, by and large, on
the bike, and that specialization (including equipment, positioning,
training) works.
"Cross training" can produce extreme fitness-- back in the day, we saw
a "local guy" all of a sudden come out of the woodwork and be able to
at least tag along with the midwest hotshots of the day in crits,
notably in a BAR race at Moline. Turned out he had a killer wintertime
swimming routine for when the Chicagoland weather prevented effective
road training. I "swam" at a fairly high level during one high-school
summer and his workout schedule was bad-ass, if I couldn't tell you
the details all these years later. Grueling. Ouch.

(FWIW) Tri-geeks lose respect from me because so many of them seem to
have 'tudes about learning to be good (safe) pack riders.
There's a local weekly "tri-ride" that is famous for their weekly
crashes. Stuff happens to us all-- but then, one of the cardinal
skills of pack riding is covering mistakes others might make, and
*not* crashing. "Giant egos abounding". Too bad, the "Red Badge of
Courage" ethos is screwed, totally.
--D-y

On Jan 4, 7:30*am, Anton Berlin wrote:


4. And you're ****ing swimming anyway so maybe you should be in the
tri forums



Dumbass -

Sure I swim, but I also know how to handle a bike in a pack.

The great majority of these triathletes do not. They're getting better
ever since they started the draft legal thing, but even so you'll see
some races where they do stuff like have huge pileups at a non
attacking section when their getting ready for entering the transition
zone to the run.

Freds. A lot of them have Cat 1 engines with Cat 5 pack handling
skills.

Another problem is: I don't think most of the age group races are
draft legal. The people that do that are going to continue to be
Freds. There's no incentive to learn handling skills.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

On Jan 5, 2:17*am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
wrote:
On Jan 4, 7:30*am, Anton Berlin wrote:



4. And you're ****ing swimming anyway so maybe you should be in the
tri forums

Dumbass -

Sure I swim, but I also know how to handle a bike in a pack.

The great majority of these triathletes do not. They're getting better
ever since they started the draft legal thing, but even so you'll see
some races where they do stuff like have huge pileups at a non
attacking section when their getting ready for entering the transition
zone to the run.

Freds. A lot of them have Cat 1 engines with Cat 5 pack handling
skills.

Another problem is: I don't think most of the age group races are
draft legal. The people that do that are going to continue to be
Freds. There's no incentive to learn handling skills.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Agreed - they mainly handle packs like **** - I even had one say
something to me once - he has no idea how close he came to getting an
introduction to meet Mr. Curb

On Jan 3, 6:25*pm, " wrote:
Anyone who thinks triathlon is serious should be forced to watch this
over and over until they are cured:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKajY5GlyI

I love that vid. I really love it when the girl in black who crashed
finally gets going, and proceeds to veer straight across the road, in
front of oncoming riders, then veer back, all without looking. I also
like the girl with the dangling yellow shoe, wish they'd tracked her,
I wanted to see what happened when it got caught in her rear wheel.

On Jan 3, 6:25*pm, " wrote:
Anyone who thinks triathlon is serious should be forced to watch this
over and over until they are cured:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKajY5GlyI

Then, there's this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPeNQ4pzIX8

On Jan 4, 2:57*pm, --D-y wrote:
On Jan 4, 9:30*am, Anton Berlin wrote:



On Jan 4, 1:31*am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."

wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:22*pm, TriGuru55x11 wrote:

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:52:05 -0800 (PST), Ryan Cousineau wrote:
On Jan 3, 11:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:05 am, Fred Flintstein
wrote:

On 1/3/2011 7:11 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:

Ryan - I think you're wrong. Train for and do an ironman - it's a
****ing bitch.

Dumbass,

Hard != Serious

For example, RAAM is hard.

Dumbass -

Triathlon is serious.

There's a decent amount of money at stake. $$$ brings out the
seriousness.

In theory I can believe that. This interview was empirical evidence
you're wrong.

As painful as that video was to watch that, I still want to thank you.

That hit me hard and this for me was a real "moment of truth" "wake up and
smell the taint" kind of realization, I think I learned some valuable
things to help further train my clients.

I don't usually read this board and it is good to see there's worthwhile
information being posted.

Dumbass -

If you're a triathlete, it's a good idea to not read this board.
Triathletes handle this place about as well as they do riding in the
middle of a pack.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge -

1. Good triathletes are as elite as any cyclist ( I saw number of them
turn in 54 minute TTs on a hilly multi corner bad pavement course) and
that's after the swim in 60 degree lake water! * Those guys would have
easily won every state championship tt that year.)

2. We barely talk about cycling anyway

3. His rants will probably be better than Ed Dolans

4. And you're ****ing swimming anyway so maybe you should be in the
tri forums

Some of them are truly monsters. They do one thing, by and large, on
the bike, and that specialization (including equipment, positioning,
training) works.

dumbass,

anyone who is good in one aerobic discipline can potentially be good
in another.

triathlism sucks because it is a clumsy mash up of three different
sports. even if you like chinese food, french food and italian food,
it doesn't mean it's all good in the same meal.

plus triathletes manly come from two different camps, OCD runners who
think they got dropped in the crosswind because they ate too much
gluten and grim corporate types who want to put everything into a
spreadsheet and look around for someone to pay instead of just losing
25 lbs.

On Jan 5, 1:29*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Jan 4, 2:57*pm, --D-y wrote:





On Jan 4, 9:30*am, Anton Berlin wrote:

On Jan 4, 1:31*am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."

wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:22*pm, TriGuru55x11 wrote:

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:52:05 -0800 (PST), Ryan Cousineau wrote:
On Jan 3, 11:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:05 am, Fred Flintstein
wrote:

On 1/3/2011 7:11 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:

Ryan - I think you're wrong. Train for and do an ironman - it's a
****ing bitch.

Dumbass,

Hard != Serious

For example, RAAM is hard.

Dumbass -

Triathlon is serious.

There's a decent amount of money at stake. $$$ brings out the
seriousness.

In theory I can believe that. This interview was empirical evidence
you're wrong.

As painful as that video was to watch that, I still want to thank you.

That hit me hard and this for me was a real "moment of truth" "wake up and
smell the taint" kind of realization, I think I learned some valuable
things to help further train my clients.

I don't usually read this board and it is good to see there's worthwhile
information being posted.

Dumbass -

If you're a triathlete, it's a good idea to not read this board.
Triathletes handle this place about as well as they do riding in the
middle of a pack.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge -

1. Good triathletes are as elite as any cyclist ( I saw number of them
turn in 54 minute TTs on a hilly multi corner bad pavement course) and
that's after the swim in 60 degree lake water! * Those guys would have
easily won every state championship tt that year.)

2. We barely talk about cycling anyway

3. His rants will probably be better than Ed Dolans

4. And you're ****ing swimming anyway so maybe you should be in the
tri forums

Some of them are truly monsters. They do one thing, by and large, on
the bike, and that specialization (including equipment, positioning,
training) works.

dumbass,

anyone who is good in one aerobic discipline can potentially be good
in another.

Well, yeah, I think that was contained in content.

triathlism sucks because it is a clumsy mash up of three different
sports. even if *you like chinese food, french food and italian food,
it doesn't mean it's all good in the same meal.

plus triathletes manly come from two different camps, OCD runners who
think they got dropped in the crosswind because they ate too much
gluten and grim corporate types who want to put everything into a
spreadsheet and look around for someone to pay instead of just losing
25 lbs.

Triathlism sucks IMHO because the bike portion is self-contradictory,
so to speak: the "athlete alone against the clock" ethos goes out the
window when there are groups of riders on the road, and there's no way
to fix the problem. Time penalties or other sanctions for "drafting"
don't solve the problem, and if the rules are fudged to allow
drafting, then it's not "athlete alone against the clock", it's a mass-
start swimming race followed by a mass start bike race followed by a
mass start running race. Noting, the first and last mass-start races
also include pacing and some amount of "drafting", it's just that
drafting in the bike segment is a much larger potential advantage.
--D-y

On Jan 5, 1:55*pm, Brad Anders wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKajY5GlyI

I love that vid. I really love it when the girl in black who crashed
finally gets going, and proceeds to veer straight across the road, in
front of oncoming riders, then veer back, all without looking. I also
like the girl with the dangling yellow shoe, wish they'd tracked her,
I wanted to see what happened when it got caught in her rear wheel.

At the very end you can see the yellow shoe in the road looking quite
lonely. So is that the dangling shoe? Or did she kick the other one
off and ride barefoot with both feet?

Someone in the comment section said she finished 13th.

No matter how many times I watch that I still laugh.

On Jan 5, 2:04*pm, Brad Anders wrote:

Then, there's this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPeNQ4pzIX8

When they say "featuring Bob Roll", I thought they were gonna show his
crashes. What a disappointment.

The funniest pro crash is still this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeB9...eature=related

I love how they start falling progressively farther out from the
line.

derFaher wrote:
When they say "featuring Bob Roll", I thought they were gonna show his
crashes. *What a disappointment.

The funniest pro crash is still this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeB9...eature=related

I love how they start falling progressively farther out from the
line.

I shouldn't post this, but it's too hard to resist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP2Srxnc1pI
....is still the funniest to me. I love how Bobke chuckles at the end.