Can you make it to the market on a bike?

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:46:46 +0100, Tony Raven
wrote:

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Jul 25, 3:06 am, "Geoff Pearson" wrote:

what do you do with a gallon of milk - sounds much more dangerous than
cycling?-

A gallon of milk is better than a gallon of gas. Hopefully the milk is
still "Made in USA"...

Gas guzzlers are feeding injustice and terrorism.



Do you know how much gas is consumed and methane produced in the
production and delivery of a gallon of milk?

Tony

"It takes thirty-five calories of fossil fuel to make one calorie of
beef, sixty-eight to make one calorie of pork."

"Every single calorie we eat is backed by at least a calorie of oil,
more like ten. In 1940 the average farm in the United States produced
2.3 calories of food energy for every calorie of fossil energy it
used. By 1974 (the last year in which anyone looked closely at this
issue), that ratio was 1:1. And this understates the problem, because
at the same time that there is more oil in our food there is less oil
in our oil. A couple of generations ago we spent a lot less energy
drilling, pumping, and distributing than we do now. In the 1940s we
got about 100 barrels of oil back for every barrel of oil we spent
getting it. Today each barrel invested in the process returns only
ten."

"According to one set of calculations, we spend more calories of
fossil-fuel energy making ethanol from grain than we gain from it.
The Department of Agriculture says the ratio is closer to a gallon
and a quart of ethanol for every gallon of fossil fuel we invest."

Excerpted from http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915
--
zk

On Jul 25, 5:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 25, 12:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

Bike paths are the way to go and surely in the future there will be
thousands and thousands of miles of such paths everywhere. The fact is
that
none of us are safe on the roads and highways where we have to share the
lane with motor vehicles.

They won't happen without a revolution. No political will. Our roads
will remain a jungle until the end of times, which is near if we
insist on launching war over precious resources. "Saving" is missing
from the American English Dictionary. There's hope though...

Hey Don Quijote, I am hoping that gas goes to $20. a gallon. That is what it
will take to get America to abandon their cars. And the sooner the better!

The couch potatoes will have to abandon the comfort of their automatic
vehicles. Which, by the way, it's killing them in types of deseases.

The dictatorship of the lazy and stupid over the fit and smart will
end.

On Jul 25, 7:10 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:
Amy Blankenship wrote:

I have no idea about cows, but it's probably fairly similar.

If you divide the amount of methane produced per annum by cows with
their annual milk production and multiply by 30 to allow for the fact
that methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 you end
up with about 3.5kg of CO2 equivalent per gallon of milk. That is
about 17 miles of a 200g/km car or 35 miles of a low emission car
like the Prius. And that allows nothing for the fossil fuel
consumption of agriculture in farm vehicles, fertiliser, transport
and distribution.
Surprised?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. "They" don't want to hear this.

We better feed all-American cows than feed injustice in the world.

Well, I hope they are not crazy anyway.

"Bill Z." wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" writes:

"Bill Z." wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" writes:

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"Edward Dolan" writes:

"Bill Z." wrote in message

We have plenty of bike lanes around here. Many are along routes
children use to ride their bicycles to school. It may surprise
you,
but a "majority of people" have children and will support
anything
that they think will reduce the chances of their children being
injured. Bike lanes are also popular with commuters, who feel
more
comfortable when there is one. And our traffic engineers like
them
as
well - on expressways or similar heavily used road, the bike
lanes
double as breakdown lanes or as areas where cars can merge into
to
let
emergency vehicles get by. The cost difference between a bike
lane
versus a striped shoulder is basically zero.

Bike lanes are not as safe as many imagine them to be. An idiotic
driver can easily wipe you out and then claim that he never saw
you.

We weren't talking about how "safe" they were. The issue was
whether the government would install them given that most people
don't ride bicycles. I pointed out that most voters have children
and those children ride bicycles.

No, you confounded idiot, it is all about safety. No one in their
right mind gives a damn about anything else.

You know, for a know-nothing moron, Dolan sure is arrogant.

Well, I know what I know and I have no tolerance for idiots who
essentially
know nothing.

Then you should have zero tolerance for yourself!


insults from Dolan snipped

If Dolan had bothered to read anything before shooting off his fat
mouth, he would know about some of the literature. In particular,
Wachtel and Lewiston (1994) Risk Factors for Bicycle-Motor Vehicle
Collisions at Intersections; ITE Journal, September, 1994. You can
read a copy on-line at
http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Library/riskfactors.htm. In particular
you should read the following:

I will never read any of that **** because it is irrelevant. All that is
required to know anything about cycling is an ounce of common sense,
something that is very rare in cyclists as Bill Z proves every time he
posts
his stupid and misleading messages.

Dolan is a bald-faced liar - I posted a citation and quote from an
article that appeared in a peer-reviewed journal. If he thinks these
journals are "****", he has simply proven himself to be a crackpot.

"Bicyclists on a sidewalk or bicycle path incur greater risk
than those on the roadway (on average 1.8 times as great),
most likely because of blind conflicts at intersections.
Wrong-way sidewalk bicyclists are at even greater risk, and
sidewalk bicycling appears to increase the incidence of
wrong-way travel."

That's based on real-world measurements, not mindless speculation
from some usenet kook like Dolan.

I am always assuming an intelligent cyclist in my speculations, not an
idiot
like Bill Z.

Dolan has proven himself to be a rude, idiotic usenet kook who ignores
the facts. The article I quoted was published in the Institute of
Transportation Engineers Journal, a peer reviewed publication. With
no real argument, Dolan has no response other than childish personal
insults about how I behave on a bicycle, none of which are true (which
makes Dolan a liar in addition to his other personal problems.)

The facts are that there are a very large number of bicyclists in
the U.S. who are simply incompetent. It is no surprise - they never
got any real training - but it is the current state of affairs. Dolan's
speculations are just that - mindless thoughts with no data to back
them up.

Anyone but me notice how others (scoundrels) are quick to call those with
whom they disagree liars. Hellls Bells, I just assume that Bill Z is an
ignorant cuss like all his tribe of so-called fact finders. It would never
even occur to me to call him a liar since he is essentially such a numskull.

By the way, I will never go to any links (citations). Either say it yourself
or forget about it.

Regards,


Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Jul 25, 9:33 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

The History Channel on Cable TV is showing a series of programs on The
Universe. I do not think it would be such a bad thing if a large asteroid
came crashing into the earth and sent us the way of the dinosaurs. I don't
know about you, but I am heartily sick of human kind. The sooner we perish,
the better!

Well, the revolution should be getting here on time before the next...

EVOLVE OR ELSE!

Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite
alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped
upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the
Americanus Raptor --the biggest dinosaur of them all-- and asked: "Why
you eat and eat everything in your path? Why don't you slim down? Why
can't we little animals at least have our own way?" Then the dinosaur,
blowing the Little Ant away, shouted: "Bigger is better, so get
lost!"

The Little Ant, then, gathered the whole cooperative and said:
"Comrades, our world is being threatened by the dinosaurs, so..." And
at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a big ball of fire,
destroying all but the small animals...

Moral: "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the
most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles
Darwin

"Edward Dolan" writes:

"Bill Z." wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" writes:

Anyone but me notice how others (scoundrels) are quick to call those with
whom they disagree liars. Hellls Bells, I just assume that Bill Z is an
ignorant cuss like all his tribe of so-called fact finders. It would never
even occur to me to call him a liar since he is essentially such a numskull.

Dolan, you proved yourself to be a liar by posting false accusations
that suggested dangerous cycling on my part, and that was simply a lie
that you repeated over and over. If you don't like being called a liar
in public, then stop posting lies - the lie was obvious as we've never
met so there is no way for you to have a clue about safe I am when
riding a bicycle.

Then you go around calling people "numskulls" after they back up what
they say with citations to peer reviewed journals. That behavior really
makes you look like a fool.

By the way, I will never go to any links (citations). Either say it yourself
or forget about it.

I'm not going to cut and paste a 10 page article with various figures
just for your benefit. If you are too ignorant to read a peer
reviewed article, one 'click' away, then maybe you should stick to
safe subjects: your health and the weather. At least that would spare
us from listening to you croon like a bilious pidgeon.

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

"Dane Buson" wrote in message
...
More people live in cities than in
rural areas, and the proportion is still shifting towards cities.

The last several Censuses demonstrate that you forgot the advent of the
suburbs.

In rec.bicycles.misc donquijote1954 wrote:

Preventing Motorcycle, Scooter Accidents a Matter of Awareness
By Ryan Taylor - 17 Jul 2007

In March a BYU student, driving a scooter died of injuries suffered in
an accident with an SUV.

Adam Cox was riding in the outside lane of University Parkway just
behind a car that was driving in the inside lane when an SUV going the
opposite direction, turned left and hit Cox, said Capt. Michael
Harroun, of the BYU Police Department.

Part of this is simply because SUV drivers generally don't look where
the bleep they're going (I've nearly been killed by them twice in the last
seven days) but another part of the problem in this case is that this
accident happened in Provo, Utah, where drivers think I-15 is Taladega,
and the college requires its students to keep their bikes outdoors, even
in the dead of winter.
Human stupidity, the worst killer of all.

Bill

__o | Harry: How could a troll get in?
_`\(,_ | Ron: Not on its own. Trolls are really stupid.
(_)/ (_) |

In rec.bicycles.misc Sancho Panza wrote:
"Dane Buson" wrote in message

More people live in cities than in rural areas, and the proportion is still
shifting towards cities.

The last several Censuses demonstrate that you forgot the advent of the
suburbs.

http://www.economist.com/surveys/dis...ory_id=9070726

"Even in 1800 only 3% of the world's population lived in cities.
Sometime in the next few months, though, that proportion will pass the
50% mark, if it has not done so already. Wisely or not, Homo sapiens has
become Homo urbanus."

I was speaking of the world as a whole. But even confining ourselves to
the US, the mythos that everyone wants 2 acres and a riding lawn mower
is fading. There will always be people who want that, and people who
live in rural and remote areas. Naught is wrong with that.

But I don't want it for myself, and I know an awful lot of people who
don't either.

--
Dane Buson -
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the show?"

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:21:46 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
wrote:


"Dane Buson" wrote in message
...
More people live in cities than in
rural areas, and the proportion is still shifting towards cities.

The last several Censuses demonstrate that you forgot the advent of the
suburbs.

Worldwide urbanisation is increasing while the rural populations are
decreasing.

Suburbs are usually lumped in with their greater metropolitan areas
when looking at urbanisation.

There is also a move back to the cities as previously depressed areas
are gentrified or redeveloped.

Cities are getting bigger by increasing density and suburbs are
spreading until they butt up against the next one. The whole eastern
seaboard is comprised of a few metropolitan regions spreading to
become one huge strip city from New York to Miami.
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zk