Can you make it to the market on a bike?

"Jens Müller" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Jens Müller" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

How can they go fast when they are on the same lane as me?
They will run right over you and then claim that they did not see you.
If
you really **** them off, they will do it on purpose.
Data, please. How often does that happen?

This is ever the complaint of those who do not possess a lick of common
sense.

This is ever the complaint of those trying to defend a statement they
have no evidence for whatsoever.

It is the difference between those who have very big brains like Ed Dolan
the Great and those who have very little brains like Jens Muller.

They can overtake, but then they are on another lane.
Nope, they will shove you a right off the road. They do not want to be
bothered overtaking a lowly cyclist.
You're driving [riding] too far on the right.

???

The more right you drive [ride] , the less the distance motor-vehicle
drivers
will keep when overtaking.

No, they will go around you regardless with less chance of hitting you. This
business about keeping to your lane is for fools and idiots. They do not
live long as a result of that philosophy.

How many people get killed with bikes on the carriageway each year?
Here
in Germany, you can count them on one hand. But there are dozens
getting
killed by turning cars whose drivers don't look at the bike path.
That is the cyclist's fault. Wherever a bike path crosses a road, it is
up
to the cyclist to stop, look and listen.
No. The cyclist has right of way, at least according to our highway
code.

NEVER! Whenever a bike path crosses a road or street on which there are
motor vehicles, the cyclist must stop, look and listen. If you don't do
this, you will die like the dog that you are.

By the way, bike LANES on streets are worthless. Never trust them.

Do you have statistical data that would support your last sentence?
I reek of commonsense. Too bad you do not have any!
"Common sense" ...

Common sense might say cycle paths are safer.

Surveys by the Bundesanstalt für Straßenwesen (Federal Highway
Institute) say that the accident probabiliy on crossings is 3 to 12
times higher on cycle paths than on the carriageway, depending on the
exact situation.

For Christ's sakes, when you are on a bike path crossing a road, you must
stop, look and listen. What is there about this that you do not
understand?
Note well that I am talking about bike paths, not g.d. bike LANES on the
streets.

Bike paths next to the carriageway, yes. They are part of the street and
thus subject to the same Vorfahrt rules.

Is your "must" a factual or a legal one?

It is a common sense one which will save your life.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Dane Buson" wrote in message
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In rec.bicycles.misc Jeff Grippe wrote:
Jeff "Peter Clinch" wrote in message
Jeff Grippe wrote:

Because I will never share a road again with cars in this country. I
believe that even in Worthington, it isn't safe It may be an
exceptionally low number of people that are involved in bike/car
accidents but trust me, You don't want to be the person on the bike.

Look at the numbers of people who get totalled while driving or riding
in
cars. That isn't safe either (especially when they get hit by
trucks...).

While your own personal misfortune will have an understandably big
impact
on your risk assessments, it is the case that it's a bad way to play the
odds for any subsequent events.

I'm sure you are right and even though I love to cycle, I'm not going to
play in traffic. At some point I'm just going to have to move closer to
the
rail trails. You are correct that my risk assessment is probably
incorrect.

Thinking back on it, both of my most injurious bike accidents took place
on bike trails and involved no cars. Considering that bike trails are
widely acknowledged to be more dangerous than road cycling, I shouldn't
be really surprised by that I suppose.

Bike trails are only dangerous if you are an idiot. Congratulations!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Bill Z." wrote in message
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"Joe the Aroma" writes:

Your idiotic platitudes aside, the reason why bike lanes won't happen is
because of democracy, the vast majority of people do not bike and
therefor
do not demand bike lanes. Democracy in action.

We have plenty of bike lanes around here. Many are along routes
children use to ride their bicycles to school. It may surprise you,
but a "majority of people" have children and will support anything
that they think will reduce the chances of their children being
injured. Bike lanes are also popular with commuters, who feel more
comfortable when there is one. And our traffic engineers like them as
well - on expressways or similar heavily used road, the bike lanes
double as breakdown lanes or as areas where cars can merge into to let
emergency vehicles get by. The cost difference between a bike lane
versus a striped shoulder is basically zero.

Bike lanes are not as safe as many imagine them to be. An idiotic driver can
easily wipe you out and then claim that he never saw you.

In case there is any confusion, a bike lane is part of a road
and should not be confused with a bike path, which is a completely
separate facility. The paths are popular too, as they are really
bicycle/pedestrian paths.

Bike paths are the only way to go. They are extremely safe as long as you
keep your speed down.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Jul 25, 3:06 am, "Geoff Pearson" wrote:

what do you do with a gallon of milk - sounds much more dangerous than
cycling?-

A gallon of milk is better than a gallon of gas. Hopefully the milk is
still "Made in USA"...

Gas guzzlers are feeding injustice and terrorism.

On Jul 25, 2:11 pm, "Joe the Aroma" wrote:
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message

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Some things are worth doing for the sake of civilization regardless of the
hoi polloi who do not know their asses from a hole in the ground. Too much
democracy in action is a recipe for disaster.

Hey, all I'm saying is that don't think it's a lack of democracy that is the
reason there isn't bike lanes.

Oh yes. Democratic societies would build BIKE LANES and have HEALTH
INSURANCE, though I don't know how the last one applies here.


I'm not saying it's right, I'm for bike lanes because they're a lot
cheaper than mass transit that probably will not be used. Bike riding is
the perfect antidote to many of our's, and society's, problems and I wish
the naysays would not lump this one in with the rest of what idiotic
greens spout off.

We need bike paths going every which way (just as we need sidewalks) and
we also need mass transit going every which way. The main thing we need to
get rid of is the god damn private motor vehicle.

Nah, we need people who can learn to live with other forms of
transportation, whether it be cars or bicycles.

OK, and where are they coexisting? Perhaps in small places like Key
West? No wonder people feel so free down there.

On Jul 25, 4:40 am, "Joe the Aroma" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

oups.com...





I think it has to with the lions considering the frugal bikes mere
peanuts.They are still important to the monkey though...

RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS

OK, since the lion (for whom "peanuts" is not important) refuses to
listen to the monkey asking for bike facilities,* let's scrutinize the
secrets ($$$) of the political jungle, where "democracy" is the word
of choice...

"The highest measure of democracy is neither the 'extent of freedom'
nor the 'extent of equality', but rather the highest measure of
participation" -A. d. Benoist

Then I'd assume that 50% of the American public and 80% of the young
who don't vote do not live in democracy. Or perhaps they see it as a
waste of time --and money.

"Remember the Golden Rule: Those with the Gold, Rule" (saying)

"The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (title of book)

And this one...

"Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the
government listens" -Alastair Farrugia

Which explains why bike lanes won't happen in the foreseeable future.

Your idiotic platitudes aside, the reason why bike lanes won't happen is
because of democracy, the vast majority of people do not bike and therefor
do not demand bike lanes. Democracy in action.

OK fine, we will have them with the revolution. The sheep in democracy
votes for the wolf in sheep's clothing. And the wolf couldn't care
less about bikes once in power. Take the lane and problem solved...

The Revolution Will Not be Motorized
by Robin Buckallew
So you say you want a revolution? Well, we all want to change the
world. So what? Quit bitching and moaning, quit bellyaching, and get
off your duff. There is no way to change the world by sitting on your
ass in an air conditioned room, even if you listen to nothing but
early Dylan and read nothing but Hunter Thompson. You can't change the
world unless you change yourself first. As Gandhi used to say, "Be the
change you want to see in the world".
http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Article...ning/1054.html

*WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN TO TAKE THE LANE*
Yes, why not. If we are some more than a nuisance to drivers, then we
too belong in the lane, the middle of the lane that is, since we can't
be happy with the scraps of riding in the gutter, and then be
terrorized there too, like it happened to me the other day when a
black SUV blasted the horn in an act of intimidation. The Big Fish
eats the Little Fish, but the sardines had it. Well, the Jungle may
never be the same...

Please see 'RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS' at http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote88

"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message
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Joe the Aroma wrote:

Your idiotic platitudes aside, the reason why bike lanes won't happen
is because of democracy, the vast majority of people do not bike and
therefor do not demand bike lanes. Democracy in action.

Or at least, bike lanes that are worth using. Lots of them aren't: they
tend to mean cyclists relinquish rights of way at any junctions, provide
routes inferior to the road (both in terms of condition and routing) and
give drivers the impression that bikes have no place on the roads.

The degree to which it is possible to cycle on the roads will, I'm sure,
vary from place to place, but in the UK it's generally not a problem,
and you look at the government's figures for accidents and you can see
that it isn't a problem (mile for mile, slightly less dangerous than
being a pedestrian). But the general /perception/ is that it's verging
on the suicidal to cycle on roads with motor traffic and thus we need
bike paths. The reality is that it isn't, and we don't.

What an idiot - in fact, such an idiot that he is not even worth
responding to.

You know I'm right, little man.

Examine Peter Clinch's self-serving signature and then examine mine. Now you
know who is Great and who is a midget and a dwarf. Ah, for the good old days
of Victorian and Edwardian England!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Jul 25, 11:57 am, "Jeff Grippe" wrote:

Quiet country roads can be quite safe except for the occasional drunken
driver.

Well look at what happened to Stephen King. He was walking on a quite
country road and almost had his life taken by a drunken driver.

No matter how small the odds are of this happening to me again, they become
zero if I simply refuse to cycle where there are cars. I love to cycle but
its not the only thing that I enjoy doing.

I would avoid both to ride bikes among cars and to swim among sharks.
Sometimes they are hungry, sometimes they are plain stupid.

On Jul 25, 12:16 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

These surveys also tried to compare the accident probalities on the part
of the road between crossings. The couldn't find a clear trend, possibly
because there aren't enough accidents that you can mine any statistical
information from it.

You only need to die once in order to be quite dead.

Unless you believe you can enjoy biking in Heaven. I don't.

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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On Jul 25, 12:16 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

These surveys also tried to compare the accident probalities on the
part
of the road between crossings. The couldn't find a clear trend,
possibly
because there aren't enough accidents that you can mine any statistical
information from it.

You only need to die once in order to be quite dead.

Unless you believe you can enjoy biking in Heaven. I don't.

Don Quijote appears to be a kindred soul. I will have to pay more attention
to him in the future.

By the way, what is with the 1954? That is the year of my graduation from
high school.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota