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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. I do not dump litter. Do you? Littering is never acceptable. It's an offence. Cyclists: take your rubbish home where it probably won't look out of place. How childish. Quite right - cyclists wantonly dropping litter are behaving like badly-behaved children. Their litter would look much less out of place back at their homes than it would strewn along the highway or on a village green. I'm glad we agree. |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 2:15:18 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. Yes you were I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. No, you were trying to blame utility cyclists for the litter dropped by competitors in organised events. I suppose you think IOM TT racers should stop and place their Rip-off visors in the nearest bin. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. London Marathon again, should the runners have to hold on to their empty water bottles or should the organisers arrange cleanup after the event. I do not dump litter. Do you? Unlike motorists I dispose of me litter responsibly. Littering is never acceptable. It's an offence. Cyclists: take your rubbish home where it probably won't look out of place. How childish. Quite right - cyclists wantonly dropping litter are behaving like badly-behaved children. Maybe they get their example from motorists who think this is acceptable behaviour. Their litter would look much less out of place back at their homes than it would strewn along the highway or on a village green. I'm glad we agree. How childish. |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote:
On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 03/06/2017 11:34, TMS320 wrote:
On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? this is a cycling group, cyclists make out they are perfect, it is permissible to point out the error there. |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 03/06/2017 11:34, TMS320 wrote:
On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Have look up at the top of the screen. What does it say? Ah, yes... "uk.rec.cycling". Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. And here, we are discussing anti-social cyclists, not people in general. If you wish to discuss other anti-social people, find a more appropriate NG for it. This isn't it. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. You don't get the concept of appropriateness, do you? Or that of civilised discourse. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? What has the concept of the average amount of litter - or proportion(s) of it - got to do with anything? I always (a) bin refuse immediately where facilities exist, (b) carry it by hand or pocket until I find an appropriate place to dispose of it or (c) transport it home or to a recyling facility or public refuse facility. That is regardless of the size, weight or awkwardness of the item(s) in question. That, I suggest, is the correct way to proceed. I do it. I would hope that you do it. Why shouldn't all cyclists - all of them - do the same? Whence comes the self-perception of (too many) cyclists such that they "think" they are above compliance with environmental law (and, as we know, certain other types of legislation)? Just look at this, for instance (a perfectly safe URL, BTW, just like those others below): http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/14671823.Ride_London_litter_in_Richmond_Park___whi ch_is_harmful_to_deer___up__90_per_cent__on_2015/ And how does it come about that you - admittedly among others - cannot bring yourself to simply condemn filthy, anti-social cyclists who litter the environment without trying to trivialise their offences by claiming that they aren't the only ones? I, and no doubt others, have no difficulty at all in condemning the throwing of litter by pedestrians or from motor vehicles without feeling any need to refer to the similar or worse habits of too many cyclists. Naturally, such criticism would usually be made somewhere other than uk.rec.cycling, and probably in a more appropriate and effective place than an online discussion board anyway, as you would logically expect. http://road.cc/content/news/81390-top-riders-risk-missing-li%C3%A8ge-bastogne-li%C3%A8ge-after-environmental-groups-litter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799101/Litter-lout-cyclists-slammed-discarding-hundreds-plastic-gel-packets-killed-deer-Richmond-Park-race.html And here's one where the author does what you do - tries to think of an fanciful explanation where it isn't the fault of the cyclists fouling beautiful locations: http://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2015/06/22/oped-caution-cyclist-stops-litter#.WTK8dGjyuUk |
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On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 2:46:13 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 03/06/2017 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Have look up at the top of the screen. What does it say? Ah, yes... "uk.rec.cycling". Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. And here, we are discussing anti-social cyclists, not people in general. If you wish to discuss other anti-social people, find a more appropriate NG for it. This isn't it. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. You don't get the concept of appropriateness, do you? Or that of civilised discourse. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? What has the concept of the average amount of litter - or proportion(s) of it - got to do with anything? I always (a) bin refuse immediately where facilities exist, (b) carry it by hand or pocket until I find an appropriate place to dispose of it or (c) transport it home or to a recyling facility or public refuse facility. That is regardless of the size, weight or awkwardness of the item(s) in question. That, I suggest, is the correct way to proceed. I do it. I would hope that you do it. Why shouldn't all cyclists - all of them - do the same? Whence comes the self-perception of (too many) cyclists such that they "think" they are above compliance with environmental law (and, as we know, certain other types of legislation)? Just look at this, for instance (a perfectly safe URL, BTW, just like those others below): http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/14671823.Ride_London_litter_in_Richmond_Park___whi ch_is_harmful_to_deer___up__90_per_cent__on_2015/ And how does it come about that you - admittedly among others - cannot bring yourself to simply condemn filthy, anti-social cyclists who litter the environment without trying to trivialise their offences by claiming that they aren't the only ones? I, and no doubt others, have no difficulty at all in condemning the throwing of litter by pedestrians or from motor vehicles without feeling any need to refer to the similar or worse habits of too many cyclists. Naturally, such criticism would usually be made somewhere other than uk.rec.cycling, and probably in a more appropriate and effective place than an online discussion board anyway, as you would logically expect. http://road.cc/content/news/81390-top-riders-risk-missing-li%C3%A8ge-bastogne-li%C3%A8ge-after-environmental-groups-litter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799101/Litter-lout-cyclists-slammed-discarding-hundreds-plastic-gel-packets-killed-deer-Richmond-Park-race.html And here's one where the author does what you do - tries to think of an fanciful explanation where it isn't the fault of the cyclists fouling beautiful locations: http://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2015/06/22/oped-caution-cyclist-stops-litter#.WTK8dGjyuUk https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ental-disaster |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 03/06/17 14:46, JNugent wrote:
On 03/06/2017 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Have look up at the top of the screen. What does it say? Ah, yes... "uk.rec.cycling". You love precision (except in connection with vehicle tax) The word is cycling, not cyclists. Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. And here, we are discussing anti-social cyclists, not people in general. If you wish to discuss other anti-social people, find a more appropriate NG for it. This isn't it. My response is to you. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. You don't get the concept of appropriateness, do you? Or that of civilised discourse. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? What has the concept of the average amount of litter - or proportion(s) of it - got to do with anything? Should bicycle users be perfect in an imperfect world? Stop evading. |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 04/06/2017 00:08, TMS320 wrote:
On 03/06/17 14:46, JNugent wrote: On 03/06/2017 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Have look up at the top of the screen. What does it say? Ah, yes... "uk.rec.cycling". You love precision (except in connection with vehicle tax) The word is cycling, not cyclists. Who does all that cycling, then? Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. And here, we are discussing anti-social cyclists, not people in general. If you wish to discuss other anti-social people, find a more appropriate NG for it. This isn't it. My response is to you. ....and on the wrong topic. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. You don't get the concept of appropriateness, do you? Or that of civilised discourse. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? What has the concept of the average amount of litter - or proportion(s) of it - got to do with anything? Should bicycle users be perfect in an imperfect world? Stop evading. Cyclists should not shed litter in public spaces and particularly not in places of natural beauty. If only perfect people are able to refrain from such anti-social behaviour, I thank you for the compliment but fear that I am far from perfect in other ways, even though I certainly never dump litter. And if I can avoid it, so can anyone. Did you see the pictures, BTW? And the articles in cycling magazines about littering by cyclists? Or do you just prefer to pretend it doesn't happen? |
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Littering cyclists are their own worst enemy
On 03/06/2017 21:02, wrote:
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 2:46:13 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 03/06/2017 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 02/06/17 02:15, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 18:01, wrote: On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:29:54 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 29/05/2017 02:24, wrote: [ ... ] You are talking about organised events open to the public where litter is inevitable. I was talking about everyday travel. I was doing no such thing. I was talking about litter cast into the public envirom=nment by cyclists. That is not "inevitable"; it is an anti-social choice made by the cyclists concerned. Stop singling out "cyclists". Have look up at the top of the screen. What does it say? Ah, yes... "uk.rec.cycling". Littering is done by anti-social people however they happen to transport themselves. And here, we are discussing anti-social cyclists, not people in general. If you wish to discuss other anti-social people, find a more appropriate NG for it. This isn't it. If you're determined to complain, please give evidence that rubbish from people riding bicycles creates a problem proportionally greater than average. If you can't then shut up. You don't get the concept of appropriateness, do you? Or that of civilised discourse. If it happened to be (a suggestion only, I have no evidence either way) that the proportion from people riding bicycles is less than average, would you stop whingeing? Or do you just blindly insist that in an imperfect world "cyclists" must always be perfect? What has the concept of the average amount of litter - or proportion(s) of it - got to do with anything? I always (a) bin refuse immediately where facilities exist, (b) carry it by hand or pocket until I find an appropriate place to dispose of it or (c) transport it home or to a recyling facility or public refuse facility. That is regardless of the size, weight or awkwardness of the item(s) in question. That, I suggest, is the correct way to proceed. I do it. I would hope that you do it. Why shouldn't all cyclists - all of them - do the same? Whence comes the self-perception of (too many) cyclists such that they "think" they are above compliance with environmental law (and, as we know, certain other types of legislation)? Just look at this, for instance (a perfectly safe URL, BTW, just like those others below): http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/14671823.Ride_London_litter_in_Richmond_Park___whi ch_is_harmful_to_deer___up__90_per_cent__on_2015/ And how does it come about that you - admittedly among others - cannot bring yourself to simply condemn filthy, anti-social cyclists who litter the environment without trying to trivialise their offences by claiming that they aren't the only ones? I, and no doubt others, have no difficulty at all in condemning the throwing of litter by pedestrians or from motor vehicles without feeling any need to refer to the similar or worse habits of too many cyclists. Naturally, such criticism would usually be made somewhere other than uk.rec.cycling, and probably in a more appropriate and effective place than an online discussion board anyway, as you would logically expect. http://road.cc/content/news/81390-top-riders-risk-missing-li%C3%A8ge-bastogne-li%C3%A8ge-after-environmental-groups-litter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799101/Litter-lout-cyclists-slammed-discarding-hundreds-plastic-gel-packets-killed-deer-Richmond-Park-race.html And here's one where the author does what you do - tries to think of an fanciful explanation where it isn't the fault of the cyclists fouling beautiful locations: http://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2015/06/22/oped-caution-cyclist-stops-litter#.WTK8dGjyuUk https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ental-disaster I absolutely agree that not only cyclists dump litter in public space and I have no difficulty in condenming it no matter who does it. There. 'Owzat? But then, I can't call myself a big fan of joggers and runners either. They certainly ought not to be allowed to get away with fouling the streets like that. |
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