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Old February 20th 05, 04:30 AM
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At the last OPEC meeting the price per barrel was set at $55.00 per barrel
for 2005/2006,
this was set as the bare minimum, I think their calendar year kicks in
around June 2005 and yes I agree $100.00 should be the base price.
Expect a major price hike after Washington threatens to go ballistic on Iran
and more car bombs light up the sky in Saudi Arabia...the mid-east is about
to get very interesting, North American reaction of course will be to build
and buy bigger and more powerful automobile engines for the drive to Wal
Mart 200 miles away to take advantage of all those deep discount savings on
stuff no longer made in America.

Might be a bit premature to look into becoming hippie survivalists, but then
again as the air we breath ends up on par with Mexico City and the only
really good jobs left in America include you asking if your customer wants
Fries with their burger...might not hurt to read up on planting a veggie
garden.

Oh and as America becomes more interesting, expect the cost of tires to rise
a few pennies and everything else we import goes up as fuel costs go up
to get stuff to America.

Nice thing about being old is you have learned to not get excited and take
all this global insanity in stride...if I was 30 years younger, I'd be
pretty ****ed & worried with the way the nation and the environment is going
downhill.

"Zach" wrote in message
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Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach



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Old February 20th 05, 04:34 AM
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"Zach" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago?

Whatever
it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above

$100/barrel
to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of
oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so

we
have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as

riding
recumbents.

Zach

And if that happens you will be spending double for that

recumbent

No big deal, it will still be much less expensive than a car.

Zach


Then again that is assuming you can buy that recumbent by then

I fail to understand the logic of people who wish the worst on

everyone else
so they can have more what they happen to like doing


In case you haven't noticed the world is going to hell due to overuse
of resources and the large number of people driving single occupant,
inefficient vehicles burning up petrol as if it were water has got to
stop if life on earth is to survive. Anything that can be done to
discourage destroying the environment through driving and excessive
resource use is a worthy cause in my book. I'm willing to suffer
reduced convenience to help save the world but many aren't and won't
start conserving resources and reducing their pollution output until it
becomes too expensive for them to drive. This is the beginning of the
peak oil age and things are going to get a lot worse before they get
better. Hopefully humanity can correct itself before it is too late and
the mass die off occurs. It is already starting to happen. Look at what
is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in wars
these days.

Zach


Zach:

Oil isn't just about transportation. Transportation is only a part of the
picture.

If you want to reduce the SUV's on the road then taxing gasoline to the
point people are forced to choose lower cost alternatives is the way to go.
You don't have to wreck the means of production for the world's industries
along with putting youself out of business in the process to accomplish
this.

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Old February 20th 05, 05:37 AM
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Mark ... et. al.,

What Zach is talking about should not be made light of. Check out
these sobering and frightening websites. Even the fictional accout
gives cause for concern.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Home.html
http://www.museletter.com/archive/110.html

Jim McNamara


Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
oups.com...
Then again that is assuming you can buy that recumbent by then

I fail to understand the logic of people who wish the worst on

everyone else
so they can have more what they happen to like doing


In case you haven't noticed the world is going to hell due to

overuse
of resources and the large number of people driving single

occupant,
inefficient vehicles burning up petrol as if it were water has got

to
stop if life on earth is to survive.


That is your opinion, if it weren't for oil you wouldn't have even a
fraction of what you now have including your recumbent, Oil is used

in the
production and transportation of your bike as well as just about

everything
else you currently use

And the earth will survive just fine long after we puny humans are

gone no
matter what we do

Anything that can be done to
discourage destroying the environment through driving and excessive
resource use is a worthy cause in my book. I'm willing to suffer
reduced convenience to help save the world but many aren't and

won't
start conserving resources and reducing their pollution output

until it
becomes too expensive for them to drive.


You go ahead and suffer but I see no reason why I need to just so you

can
have a better time on your bike

This is the beginning of the
peak oil age and things are going to get a lot worse before they

get
better.


We'll wait and see, I have a strong feeling it won't happen quite the

way
you appear to want

Hopefully humanity can correct itself before it is too late and
the mass die off occurs.


It always does

It is already starting to happen. Look at what
is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in

wars
these days.

Zach


People have been dying for something for centries, before oil it was

land,
before that it was religion in fact these days it's religion over

oil, and
I've heard the "this is the peak oil age" back in the 70's when it

was
projected oil would run out in 20 years, didn't wash then and it

doesn't
now.


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Old February 20th 05, 06:04 AM
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
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Jim,
Good Lord!


What Zach is talking about should not be made light of. Check out
these sobering and frightening websites. Even the fictional accout
gives cause for concern.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Home.html

snip other URL

This is a doomsday scenario. I hope someone smarter than me can put my mind at
rest and prove this scenario wrong.


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Old February 20th 05, 06:16 AM
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"Zach" wrote in message
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Look at what
is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in wars
these days.

Zach


I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths
available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small
compared to past wars.

660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the
land where I now live.

8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I.

55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the
5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust.

2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict.

727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam
conflict.

Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000
babies since Roe v. Wade (1973).

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Old February 20th 05, 06:27 AM
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= skip = wrote:

I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths
available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small
compared to past wars.

660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the
land where I now live.

8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I.

55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the
5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust.

2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict.

727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam
conflict.


So what? What is you're point?



Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000


babies since Roe v. Wade (1973).



Site your source. Not that has any bearing on this conversation.

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Old February 20th 05, 07:17 AM
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= skip = wrote:

I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths
available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small
compared to past wars.

660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the
land where I now live.

8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I.

55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the
5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust.

2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict.

727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam
conflict.


So what? What is you're point?




I donno - ARBR aint't dead yet??????, but a lot of people are.

If someone thinks a lot of people are dying in wars today they should look
to wars of the past to help put today's situation in perspective.





Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000


babies since Roe v. Wade (1973).



Site your source. Not that has any bearing on this conversation.


source is Google - Abortion statistics
bunch of web sites with statistics on abortions - easily found.

Here's a link if you prefer to only look at only one site:
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html

If you think a lot of people are dying in war today keep in mind that we are
legally aborting over a million babies a year in the US. This would be
another matter of death perspective..i.e. our number of war deaths last year
vs. our number of babies legally aborted last year. One number is small -
the other number is large.

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Old February 20th 05, 07:46 AM
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
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I donno - ARBR aint't dead yet??????, but a lot of people are.

If someone thinks a lot of people are dying in wars today they should look
to wars of the past to help put today's situation in perspective.


The OP started talking about oil prices. Granted, the OP mis-titled the thread.
You got off on some tangent about war deaths, somehow affecting the economy.



Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000


babies since Roe v. Wade (1973).



Site your source. Not that has any bearing on this conversation.


source is Google - Abortion statistics
bunch of web sites with statistics on abortions - easily found.

Here's a link if you prefer to only look at only one site:
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html

If you think a lot of people are dying in war today keep in mind that we are
legally aborting over a million babies a year in the US. This would be
another matter of death perspective..i.e. our number of war deaths last year
vs. our number of babies legally aborted last year. One number is small -
the other number is large.




Skip----

I have no reason to dispute your statistics. But Why do you think this thread
should go that way?


Typical Liberal ****!


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Old February 20th 05, 08:06 AM
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths
available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small
compared to past wars.

660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the
land where I now live.

8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I.

55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the
5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust.

2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean

conflict.

727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam
conflict.


So what? What is you're point?


Well for one thing none of those wars were about oil


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Old February 20th 05, 08:07 AM
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= skip = wrote:

I donno - ARBR aint't dead yet??????, but a lot of people are.

If someone thinks a lot of people are dying in wars today they should

look
to wars of the past to help put today's situation in perspective.


The OP started talking about oil prices. Granted, the OP mis-titled the

thread.
You got off on some tangent about war deaths, somehow affecting the

economy.

Did you bother to pay attention at all? The OP mentioned how many deaths due
to war oil has caused



 




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