Big Mig - honest, dishonest?

In article
,
Ryan Cousineau wrote:

And it pains me to admit it, but Brian's not only right, he's probably
been right about doping prevalence more often than most people in this
group.

If you count number of posts.

--
Michael Press

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message
...

I wonder how you would feel if you raced clean and lost Olympic Gold or
the
Tour to a doper. I'd want justice and the medal.

And it pains me to admit it, but Brian's not only right, he's probably
been right about doping prevalence more often than most people in this
group.


The situation that made Brian such a focal point of derision was not that he
was necessarily wrong, but that his zealousness was focused on one
individual to the degree of appearing of indifferent about doping throughout
the remainder of peloton.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:02:56 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

In article VsF5i.18$eO5.14@trndny08,
"B. Lafferty" wrote:

"RonSonic" wrote in message
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On 25 May 2007 09:36:57 -0700, "
wrote:

I too will always think of him as being a dignified patron of the
peleton and-- rightyl or wrongly-- as a clean rider. Perhaps this is
naive but it is how I want to remember him.

Yes, this is naive! Big Mig was a doper; he was once described as
'EPO perfected'. I sure as hell hope no one still believes Pantani
was clean! If they take Riis' title, they should take Pantani's as
well. Should Ullrich admit he doped too that would leave...HOLY ****
BOBBY JULICH AS THE VIRTUAL TdF champion! Considering the scandal
that year and his meteoric crash, I'd Julich was clean. Oh my god my
head's going to explode...........

This is why the entire concept of rewriting results is so stupid. If they
take
out Riis, who do they replace him with? Someone who we somehow know to be
clean?

I wonder how you would feel if you raced clean and lost Olympic Gold or the
Tour to a doper. I'd want justice and the medal.

I probably would, but it wouldn't be any good for the sport.

And it pains me to admit it, but Brian's not only right, he's probably
been right about doping prevalence more often than most people in this
group.

About the worst thing you can say about WADA-world is that it's a
McCarthyite witch hunt. Overzealous, willing to transgress the
principles it claims to get to its targets. And like McCarthy, the
witches it's hunting are mostly real.

An unfortunately accurate comparison. In a world with witches about the worst
thing you can do is give witch hunting a bad name and McCarthy and Pound have
succeeded.

I can't remember who keeps quoting "it's possible to frame a guilty
man," but all I think of a lot of the time is a quote by Kissinger:
can't they both lose?

My saving grace with the whole "justice and the medal" approach is that,
however proper it would be, moving everyone up a rung is probably
better-than-even odds of just promoting a different doper in a large
number of these cases.

I'm afraid it has been so. In the future, maybe different. But that's the way
it's been. Look at the Riis thread - you gotta dig down a bit to find anyone we
aren't pretty sure was doping.

ROn

Michael Press wrote:
For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged:
and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to
you again.

That Ben Franklin guy's been around for a long time.

Spotted Dick asks will they give me back my nine months of suspension..
http://commentateursvelo.blogs.eurosport.fr/

Dans le message de ,
Dan Gregory a réfléchi, et puis
a déclaré :
Spotted Dick asks will they give me back my nine months of
suspension.. http://commentateursvelo.blogs.eurosport.fr/

Won again. You're runner up.

Sandy wrote:
Dans le message de ,
Dan Gregory a réfléchi, et puis
a déclaré :
Spotted Dick asks will they give me back my nine months of
suspension.. http://commentateursvelo.blogs.eurosport.fr/

Won again. You're runner up.


Mais j'ai fait mes cent bornes ce matin (avant la pluie)
I rode 60 miles before it starts to rain ..

:-))

In article , fat-
says...

I believe.

Tugboat

PS Could someone turn on the air conditioner.

Tugboat was the pooch who knew too much. That's why the hit was put on
him.

On May 25, 11:36 pm, "Carl Sundquist" wrote:

The situation that made Brian such a focal point of derision was not that he
was necessarily wrong, but that his zealousness was focused on one
individual to the degree of appearing of indifferent about doping throughout
the remainder of peloton.

I believe Brian stated (and then quoted himself at least once) he was
actually in favor of letting riders use whatever they wanted. Which
made his personal hatred of someone he's never met personally even
more derisionable IMHO.

Well, some people just can't stand others' feeling good about
themselves, you know? Such is life! --D-y

On 26 May 2007 08:43:06 -0700, "
wrote:

On May 25, 11:36 pm, "Carl Sundquist" wrote:

The situation that made Brian such a focal point of derision was not that he
was necessarily wrong, but that his zealousness was focused on one
individual to the degree of appearing of indifferent about doping throughout
the remainder of peloton.

I believe Brian stated (and then quoted himself at least once) he was
actually in favor of letting riders use whatever they wanted. Which
made his personal hatred of someone he's never met personally even
more derisionable IMHO.

"Risible." From the Latin "ris" for laugh - the root word of ridicule and
derision.

Well, some people just can't stand others' feeling good about
themselves, you know? Such is life! --D-y

It amazes me how some people just inflame haters, you wonder what it is about
them and the hater that provokes. Perhaps there's a paper in this.

Ron