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Old January 17th 18, 07:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?

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Old January 17th 18, 08:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-5, Emanuel Berg wrote:
If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?

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Old January 17th 18, 08:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/17/2018 12:37 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?


For most designs, particularly internal gear hubs, axles are
finished harder than axle nuts.

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Old January 17th 18, 09:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Miles
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:37:35 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?


Depends on the hub. I would be concerned about the bearing
races getting dimpled.
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Old January 17th 18, 10:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 1/17/2018 3:17 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:37:35 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?


Depends on the hub. I would be concerned about the bearing
races getting dimpled.


Every nutted hub I'm familiar with had cones and/or their locknuts just
inboard of the dropouts, and axle nuts outboard. That means
over-tightening the nuts would just compress the dropout itself, while
putting tension on the portion of axle within the dropout. I don't think
it would affect the bearings.

Quick release hubs are different in that the entire axle gets
compressed. That can tighten up the bearing adjustment a bit.

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Old January 17th 18, 10:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/17/2018 2:17 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:37:35 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?


Depends on the hub. I would be concerned about the bearing
races getting dimpled.


??
I think OP was referring to axle nut torque not bearing
locknut pressure. Maybe I was wrong.

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Old January 18th 18, 03:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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AMuzi wrote:

Depends on the hub. I would be concerned
about the bearing races getting dimpled.


?? I think OP was referring to axle nut
torque not bearing locknut pressure.
Maybe I was wrong.


No, you are right

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Old January 18th 18, 04:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 18/01/18 08:22, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2018 3:17 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:37:35 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?


Depends on the hub.Â* I would be concerned about the bearing
races getting dimpled.


Every nutted hub I'm familiar with had cones and/or their locknuts just
inboard of the dropouts, and axle nuts outboard. That means
over-tightening the nuts would just compress the dropout itself, while
putting tension on the portion of axle within the dropout. I don't think
it would affect the bearings.

Quick release hubs are different in that the entire axle gets
compressed. That can tighten up the bearing adjustment a bit.



Agree.

With a solid axle and nut, and horizontal slotted dropouts, I think it
is possible in some cases to damage the dropout by spreading the ends
apart when the nut is overtightened.

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Old January 19th 18, 12:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:22:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/17/2018 3:17 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:37:35 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

If one pulls a wheel axle nut too tight, to the
point that something is damaged, what will that
be? The axle, the thread, the frame, the nut,
the tool, the arm pulling the tool, or
something else?


Depends on the hub. I would be concerned about the bearing
races getting dimpled.


Every nutted hub I'm familiar with had cones and/or their locknuts just
inboard of the dropouts, and axle nuts outboard. That means
over-tightening the nuts would just compress the dropout itself, while
putting tension on the portion of axle within the dropout. I don't think
it would affect the bearings.

Quick release hubs are different in that the entire axle gets
compressed. That can tighten up the bearing adjustment a bit.


Ah, right, agreed.

 




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