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eb wrote in
: snip I think everyone is missing the point of cycling lanes. It's not about security blankets or anything like it but it is about keeping bikes out of traffic lanes because they seriously erode capacity. I'm sure lots of people will want to argue and yes if 15% of people were commuting on bikes then it would be less of an issue. But through lane capacity is calculated from a 2s headway at whatever the speed limit is. While most of us hit higher speeds downhill very few of us can maintain 60 km/h on the flat for any length of time. That is the lowest speed for an arterial road. Mixing bikes/cars etc will reduce capacity, hence the cycle lane. Intersections are somewhat different but the same still applies. I agree that cycle lanes are next to useless on surburban roads and really shouldn't be placed on them due to the parked vehicle issue (centre cycle lanes are another option rarely used here). If you are regularly having problems with a section of bike lane on certain roads then TELL SOMEONE (council or the SRA). Believe it or not we keep this stuff and when we are doing work in an area we will go back over the file to see if there are specific issues. If enough people raise an issue then we will usually cary out a safety audit to see if anything can be done (cheaply). So probably nothing will change in the short term but maybe there is a simple solution (removal of on street parking or allowing cyclists to use a footpath and putting in facilities to encourage it). If you get really lucky there will be someone who wanted to remove the parking anyway and you just gave them the excuse. It is generally very hard to get any feedback from users and it does help if you know what works and what doesn't. Cheers BrettM |
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BrettM wrote:
But through lane capacity is calculated from a 2s headway at whatever the speed limit is. Err, 2s headway is 30 vehicles per lane per minute _regardless_ of whatever the speed limit is. Many years ago they increased the Freeway speed limit in Perth from 80 to 100 so they "could get more cars on it". Even my mother, who was 75 at the time, could see that that was bull****. Theo |
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Jolly wrote:
snip I reckon you're nuts riding Logan Rd :-) I commute from Mansfield: up Creek Rd, onto Logan (the worst bit of the ride) then down Nursery and onto the bike path ASAP. I agree that the bike path is pretty ordinary, but it sure beats greasing the cars on Logan Rd! (just get to dodge pedestrians instead). Joel I reckon you're right. I am totally, completely nuts. I ride past the freeway onramp each time and I nearly die. I blog it each time and it makes me smile. I'd rather live than die... but I'd rather ride than worry about it! I tried the bike path a bit, but had several near-death experiences and further out my way it's lots of road crossing. I use the bikeway from Buranda Busway stn to UQ. I'm thinking of trying the back way but haven't gotten around to it yet. Like Absent Husband, I head in early and home early (or late/late) to avoid the worst of the traffic. The one time I rode home in peak hour I had no problems though, because the traffic slows down so it is easier to merge. Also the well spaced parked cars in the left lane ensure that the left lane is pretty much clear except for a few key areas, so I only need to change lanes around parked cars every km or so. Tam PS If they **** me off, I hunt them down and give them some pleasant driver education. Seriously. I discuss with them safer methods of driving and why cyclists ride in the middle of the lane, etc. |
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Jolly wrote:
snip If it's past about 7pm I'll ride home along Logan Rd, mainly because the lighting is better. The bike path is damn hard to see in parts, especially where the freeway lights are in your eyes but the path is in the shadow. I've nearly turned into a tree (no, not growing leaves on my arms) a few times now. snip It's lovely along there at night, isn't it? Such a well designed path... I also like the dark bits through the tunnels near the storm water channels. Tam |
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SteveA wrote:
Tamyka Bell Wrote: snip Grey St, Sth Bne? It has enough lanes that you can afford to take one up, given that there's extra lanes where the turns/roundabouts etc are. However I avoid Grey St except when it's really early (before 0600) - I'd rather ride at 20km/h through Southbank, dealing with veering pedestrians, than deal with the weirdo rich people on Grey St. Tam Rich people on Grey St? Holy ****!!! I grew up around there and there weren't no stinking rich people there then!!! And if you wanted weird, that was provided by the old winos and derelects who inhabited the area. The homeless people are up the far end near the bridge. Then you go through industrial areas. Then you hit the lastest yuppie precinct, Grey St and Little Stanley St, full of cafe's, art shops, bike shops, restaurants, expensive cars... Tam |
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Me to, if it wasn't for the fact that I work in Grey St. and thus don't have much choice, one way or the other I have to go down Grey St. Also, I'm still figuring out how to get down to South Bank from the bridge that I can't remember what's called... Not enough bridges up here but still too many for me to remember, what does that tell you? ;O) -Rasmus William Jolly Br, aka Grey St bridge? nope, you're stuck on Grey st, but turn off at the cultural centre and go through the forecourt and along the front at southbank if you work up that end. Victoria Br, aka Melbourne St br? go on the pedestrian bit and there's paths down from either side through SB. On the down river side, the path goes down to the cultural forecourt and you can ride through, then down onto the riverfront path. On the other side there's a big spiral ramp down onto the boardwalk or, if you turn right, you're on the southbank river front. Did I help? |
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Absent Husband Wrote: Hi Jolly, Depends when you're riding in... I commute from Mt Gravatt East - up Creek Rd (from behind the "Freedom Fuels" servo), then right ont Logan Rd. I don't jump onto the bike paths until Stone's Corner. But I'll only do that if I leave home well before 7am (generally about 6:30-6:45) - otherwise the traffic does get nasty. Come on - live life on the edge!! Just join us, join us, join us...... Absent Husband (when do you commute in?? We could link up on morning??) Logan rd isn't *too* bad...much better than using the bikepath anyway reckon. I've done it quite a few times from Logan to the City and back Like Tam says the freeway on ramps are probably the worst spots alon with any uphills where there isn't much room. In peak hour you ca travel a lot faster than the traffic. It's a good workout - yo definately know you're alive anyway! Ada -- adam85 |
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Jolly wrote:
snip I live in behind Mt Gravatt East State School, so not that far away. I normally leave about 7:30-8:00. Haven't ridden this week due to knee concerns, but got go ahead from physio today along with a regime of corrective action. If it's past about 7pm I'll ride home along Logan Rd, mainly because the lighting is better. The bike path is damn hard to see in parts, especially where the freeway lights are in your eyes but the path is in the shadow. I've nearly turned into a tree (no, not growing leaves on my arms) a few times now. Give me a bit more training and I might see about joining in. You wouldn't want to be seen with a guy on a ****ty hybrid, would you? :-) Joel Hey dude, I gotta test my MTB out this week, given I'm racing it on the weekend, so I'll probably ride that in tomorrow morning, if you're interested? I'll be really slow though, I haven't been on it for about six months and it'll feel very... big... not roadie etc. I'll probably head home this arvo by about 1630 so text or call on 0400 782 972. Absent Husband, if you're riding in tomorrow, bring along a ****ty old mtb, it'll be fun! Tam |
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Tamyka Bell wrote: Did I help? Well kind of, after yesterdays posts I had another look on my way home and figured what you have just now confirmed, that you CAN actually get up from South Bank, so I might just do that tomorrow, not riding today. While we're at it, does anyone know how far you can follow the river on this side without getting involved in too much traffic? Normally I go along the bikepath on the Western Freeway but was hoping that there was a slightly more scenic route than that. Thanks for the help Tamyka, it's greatly appreciated... I'll send you guys a wave as pass you in the other direction in the morning... If I'm not late as usual. -Rasmus |
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Yeah right - and ruin my one chance of actually being able to keep
up!?!?!? AH |
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