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Lorry driver pleads not guilty to killing Derbyshire cyclist



 
 
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Old October 8th 20, 05:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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Default Lorry driver pleads not guilty to killing Derbyshire cyclist

Let the wriggling commence.
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A ​lorry driver has denied causing the death by dangerous driving of a cyclist who was killed in a crash near Ashbourne in Derbyshire last year.
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Old October 9th 20, 03:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver pleads not guilty to killing Derbyshire cyclist

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 17:53:34 UTC+1, wrote:
Let the wriggling commence.
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A ​lorry driver has denied causing the death by dangerous driving of a cyclist who was killed in a crash near Ashbourne in Derbyshire last year.

David Bates, aged 71 and from Cliifton (sic), was killed when he was struck by a lorry driven by Richard Smith on 10 September 2019 on the A515 between Clifton and Ashbourne, reports the Derby Telegraph (link is external).

Smith, from Middleton-by-Wirksworth and aged 40, this week pleaded not guilty to causing the cyclist’s death by dangerous driving at Derby Crown Court.

His trial, which is expected to last for between three and four days, is scheduled to start on 11 October next year – more than two years after the fatal crash.

Judge Shaun Smith QC, who granted the defendant unconditional bail, told him: “Mr Smith, there is quite a bit of work to be done on this case.

“Expert evidence is going to have to be sought for both the prosecution and the defence and they are going to have to meet to discuss what aspects they agree on and what they don’t.”

A pre-trial review has been set for 19 March next year, while an inquest into Mr Bates’ death was opened and then adjourned pending completion of criminal proceedings.

In an earlier hearing at Derby and Derbyshire Coroners, Court assistant coroner Emma Serrano said: “The police have investigated and published a file with the Crown Prosecution Service and the CPS have decided that criminal charges should be brought.

“The inquest will be adjourned for a date in the future once those criminal proceedings have taken place.”

Following his death, Mr Bates was described by his family as someone who was “young at heart” and who “loved life,” with “a passion for cycling and motorbikes,” as well as for the canaries he kept.

They added that he was a “lovely man who was loved by everyone who knew him and whose death has left a big hole in the lives of his loved ones.”

https://road.cc/content/news/lorry-d...cyclist-277831


Innocent until proven guilty by due process.


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Old October 9th 20, 05:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver pleads not guilty to killing Derbyshire cyclist

On 09/10/2020 15:35, Mike Collins wrote:
On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 17:53:34 UTC+1, wrote:
Let the wriggling commence.
QUOTE:
A ​lorry driver has denied causing the death by dangerous driving of a cyclist who was killed in a crash near Ashbourne in Derbyshire last year.

David Bates, aged 71 and from Cliifton (sic), was killed when he was struck by a lorry driven by Richard Smith on 10 September 2019 on the A515 between Clifton and Ashbourne, reports the Derby Telegraph (link is external).

Smith, from Middleton-by-Wirksworth and aged 40, this week pleaded not guilty to causing the cyclist’s death by dangerous driving at Derby Crown Court.

His trial, which is expected to last for between three and four days, is scheduled to start on 11 October next year – more than two years after the fatal crash.

Judge Shaun Smith QC, who granted the defendant unconditional bail, told him: “Mr Smith, there is quite a bit of work to be done on this case.

“Expert evidence is going to have to be sought for both the prosecution and the defence and they are going to have to meet to discuss what aspects they agree on and what they don’t.”

A pre-trial review has been set for 19 March next year, while an inquest into Mr Bates’ death was opened and then adjourned pending completion of criminal proceedings.

In an earlier hearing at Derby and Derbyshire Coroners, Court assistant coroner Emma Serrano said: “The police have investigated and published a file with the Crown Prosecution Service and the CPS have decided that criminal charges should be brought.

“The inquest will be adjourned for a date in the future once those criminal proceedings have taken place.”

Following his death, Mr Bates was described by his family as someone who was “young at heart” and who “loved life,” with “a passion for cycling and motorbikes,” as well as for the canaries he kept.

They added that he was a “lovely man who was loved by everyone who knew him and whose death has left a big hole in the lives of his loved ones.”

https://road.cc/content/news/lorry-d...cyclist-277831


Innocent until proven guilty by due process.


Better worded as: "Innocent unless and until proven guilty by due process".

The old school version smacks of the court's decision having been made
in advance of the trial.
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Old October 10th 20, 03:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver pleads not guilty to killing Derbyshire cyclist

On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
Mike Collins wrote:

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 17:53:34 UTC+1,
wrote:
Let the wriggling commence.
QUOTE:


https://road.cc/content/news/lorry-d...cyclist-277831


Innocent until proven guilty by due process.

In cases like this it should be "guilty until proven innocent" on the
basis that a cyclist isn't going to try bullying a truck out of the
way..

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Old October 10th 20, 03:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Lorry driver pleads not guilty to killing Derbyshire cyclist

On Saturday, 10 October 2020 at 15:14:09 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
Mike Collins wrote:

On Thursday, 8 October 2020 at 17:53:34 UTC+1,
wrote:
Let the wriggling commence.
QUOTE:
https://road.cc/content/news/lorry-d...cyclist-277831


Innocent until proven guilty by due process.

In cases like this it should be "guilty until proven innocent" on the
basis that a cyclist isn't going to try bullying a truck out of the
way..


Even lorry drivers are entitled to presumption of innocence.
Unless they are from Liverpool which means they must have done something wrong.


 




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