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Rick Onanian wrote:
On 15 Oct 2003 11:09:52 -0700, (Frank Krygowski) wrote: Not according to the largest risk-consultation company in America. See http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/comparat.html That chart is found on an anti-helmet website. How about a neutral site, not about bicycling at all? Yes, you'll say that it was done by an independent company, but an independent company can be biased or wrong easily enough; and an anti-helmet site would post only data by such a company. It's even easy enough for such a company to gather broken data by accident, not knowing about bicycling. That same chart appears 53 times on the web (according to Google), mostly in bicycle contexts. But it originally appeared in _Design News_ magazine, which isn't cycling-oriented. I've never been able to find any info on where they got their data or how they analyzed it, so I'll take it with a grain of salt. Has anyone here seen the original article from which the table is taken? It might have some useful info. [snip] What does this category mean: Living (all causes of death) Apparently, living an hour at all is many times more dangerous than bicycling AND passenger cars. It means that people live 653,000 hours, or 74.6 years, on average. -- Ray Heindl (remove the X to reply) |
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"Ian" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com... I tend to believe comparing cars to bikes to be like comparing apples to oranges, they are 2 totally different beasts with more different about them than they have in common. Why not compare biking to walking? You made an excellent point. I ride my bike to work for exercise. That means it replaces the car ride and alternative exercise at the same time (I hate gyms). For a real comparison we have to add the two risks to compare them to cycling. On the other hand, if we're trying to compare bike vs car and no exercise, then we'd have to add the car risk to the sedentary lifestyle risk. That would probably make cycling look better still. Even for myself, cycling is the only exercise I've managed to do consistently. It's possible, that if I couldn't commute by bike, I still wouldn't be exercising. Doug Toronto |
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Robert Chambers wrote, after about 50 lines of quoted text:
All I do in response to this is shake my head in a combination of disgust and amazement. That's too bad. There are much more useful things one can do with a head. -- Benjamin Lewis Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away. |
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Robert Chambers wrote:
Hey frank ... try reading the entire thread. I know plenty about cycling and its relative dangers. I've experienced them first hand. Well, I guess you're an expert then. I also presume you'll start wearing a helmet as a pedestrian when I tell you anecdotes of my friends who have been hit by cars while out walking. I can't stand enduring all the idiots out here who think they know something about it when they spin a few miles a week and haven't had a life-threatening accident ... yet somehow they're experts. To whom are you referring here? Certainly not Frank. -- Benjamin Lewis Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away. |
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Pete wrote:
Several years ago, bumping up onto a curb, I mistimed the frontwheel lift, and went over the front. Result - chipped tooth on landing. As I had the helmet on (military requirement) I suppose I counted am in the other camp. Non serious head injury while wearing a helmet. Of COURSE the helmet saved my life! Perhaps if you had the correct helmet brand, or wore it "more effectively", you could have avoided the chipped tooth too! But just having survived should be good enough. SMH |
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Ian wrote:
Per hour of use weighs unfavourably against the car. That one hour for a motorist can mean multiple trips, many miles, many lights, stop signs, many other drivers, I do not agree that it normalizes to the extent that it produces a fair comparison. If you're not exposed to danger (your car is in the garage), how can you be sustain a traffic injury? Only if a car rams into your house while you watch the tube. I tend to believe comparing cars to bikes to be like comparing apples to oranges, they are 2 totally different beasts with more different about them than they have in common. Why not compare biking to walking? Comparing cars and bikes is indeed difficult. Not certain how many "walking accidents" there are beyond twisted ankles and such. Don't think I've heard of any fatalities from walking collisions, yet surely, some where at some time, it has happened! SMH |
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"Matthew" wrote In my car I have seat belts and multiple air bags. These safety devices do not encourage me to drive dangerously. Seat belts, air bags, crumple zones...and still there are numerous head injuries. And now here is my question, has wearing a helmet on a bicycle ever killed or seriously injured someone? In other words, except for the helmet, they would still be alive today. Not strictly *while riding a bike*, but: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml99/99065.html There were also a few cases in Sweden. Pete |
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Claire Petersky wrote: So, what are you going to do? Vaguely worry about the dangers of cycling while being stuck in some malodorous steel box in an interminable line of cars, fuming at your sorry situation? Or be on your bike, out on God's Green Earth and be free! -- Warm Regards, Claire Petersky Right on Claire! You don't forget the cosmic joke! Best regards, Bernie |
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Sorry about that. I have a new laptop. Using a touchpad instead of the
mouse I'm used to. I keep double-tapping when a single will do. I think that's what's causing the double-posts. Bob C. "Sorni" wrote in message ... "Robert Chambers" top-posted in message ... Hey frank ... try reading the entire thread. I know plenty about cycling and its relative dangers. I've experienced them first hand. I can't stand enduring all the idiots out here who think they know something about it when they spin a few miles a week and haven't had a life-threatening accident ... yet somehow they're experts. Hey robert... I agree with your helmet position, but why are all your notes preceded with a "blank" post (no new content)? Bill "not even mentioning the top-posting" S. |
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