Only in America: Cyclists are never at fault are they?

The cyclists are the ones that are being dangerous in their own riding, to
try to blame a web site for making them ride too fast for the conditions is
plainly ludicrous.

http://road.cc/content/news/60145-fa...cyclists-death

On 19/06/2012 09:49, Mrcheerful wrote:

The cyclists are the ones that are being dangerous in their own riding, to
try to blame a web site for making them ride too fast for the conditions is
plainly ludicrous.

http://road.cc/content/news/60145-fa...cyclists-death

QUOTE:
The family of an American man who died trying to beat his speed record are
suing Strava for encouraging him to speed.

William ‘Kim’ Flint, from Oakland, had just lost his Strava ‘King of the
Mountains’ title on a local downhill stretch when he crashed into a car
nearly two years ago, apparently trying to keep his record.
ENDQUOTE

Hmm...

Do we know anyone nearer to home who takes/took the same attitude (perhaps
also viewing motor vehicles as enemies to be beaten and harried)?

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:49:27 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
"Cyclists are never at fault are they?"

Here we go again.
Cheerless - nobody has ever claimed that, have they?

Why do you keep on making these patently stupid assertions?

On Jun 19, 1:11*pm, PhilO wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:49:27 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:

"Cyclists are never at fault are they?"

Here we go again.
Cheerless - nobody has ever claimed that, have they?

Why do you keep on making these patently stupid assertions?

Maybe he does it because cyclists are never at fault, as has been
claimed many times on this platform.

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:10:35 AM UTC+1, NM wrote:

Maybe he does it because cyclists are never at fault, as has been
claimed many times on this platform.

Really? I must have missed that. Please provide some examples of anyone claiming that cyclists are never at fault. You say it has been claimed many times, so it should be easy to find a few examples.

On Jun 21, 1:11*pm, PhilO wrote:
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:10:35 AM UTC+1, NM wrote:

Maybe he does it because cyclists are never at fault, as has been
claimed many times on this platform.

Really? I must have missed that. Please provide some examples of anyone claiming that cyclists are never at fault. You say it has been claimed many times, so it should be easy to find a few examples.

Do your own research.

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:08:47 PM UTC+1, NM wrote:
On Jun 21, 1:11*pm, PhilO wrote:
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:10:35 AM UTC+1, NM wrote:

Maybe he does it because cyclists are never at fault, as has been
claimed many times on this platform.

Really? I must have missed that. Please provide some examples of anyone claiming that cyclists are never at fault. You say it has been claimed many times, so it should be easy to find a few examples.

Do your own research.

I did. I couldn't find any evidence to support the claim YOU made.
That's because it is not true that "cyclists are never at fault, as has been claimed many times on this platform"

Now, can you explain why you think you can post things that are not true and you expect other people to prove you wrong? Back up your own claims.

PhilO wrote:
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:08:47 PM UTC+1, NM wrote:
On Jun 21, 1:11 pm, PhilO wrote:
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:10:35 AM UTC+1, NM wrote:

Maybe he does it because cyclists are never at fault, as has been
claimed many times on this platform.

Really? I must have missed that. Please provide some examples of
anyone claiming that cyclists are never at fault. You say it has
been claimed many times, so it should be easy to find a few
examples.

Do your own research.

I did. I couldn't find any evidence to support the claim YOU made.
That's because it is not true that "cyclists are never at fault, as
has been claimed many times on this platform"

Now, can you explain why you think you can post things that are not
true and you expect other people to prove you wrong? Back up your own
claims.

How about the cyclist that rode down the (hill) pavement without lights at
night and straight into a parapet and down into a subway, posters here
claimed that was not his fault and that it was the council's fault for
allowing it to happen.

The girl that rode straight into the side of a lorry trailer while wearing
headphones, again that somehow was the lorry driver's fault for not guessing
that behind him a cyclist was going to ride off the pavement and into him.

The racing cyclist that rode straight into a parked car with hazard lights
on, that was the car driver's fault for breaking down according to some on
this group.

The racing cyclist that was going too fast around a bend and slid straight
under a very slow moving car coming in the opposite direction, again that
was the car driver's fault for not anticipating that it might happen
(according to people here)

The cyclist that made some strange manouevre and darted across the road and
under a car coming the other way, people here claimed that the car driver
was at fault.

The cyclist that knocked down an oap while riding in a pedestrian area and
then ran away, that was not his fault, it was the old man's.

etc. etc

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:48:14 PM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
Tiesome that you haven't provided any links to the examples you claim, but I'm happy to spend a biot of time looking to show your claim that "Cyclists are never at fault" is unjustified.

How about the cyclist that rode down the (hill) pavement without lights at
night and straight into a parapet and down into a subway, posters here
claimed that was not his fault and that it was the council's fault for
allowing it to happen.

I couldn't find that thread - have you got a url for it? Your description doesn't support your claim that "cyclists are never at fault" though.

The girl that rode straight into the side of a lorry trailer while wearing
headphones, again that somehow was the lorry driver's fault for not guessing
that behind him a cyclist was going to ride off the pavement and into him.

I found a couple of threads mentioning that incident, but couldn't see anybody claiming cyclists are never at fault. Can you show me where?

The racing cyclist that rode straight into a parked car with hazard lights
on, that was the car driver's fault for breaking down according to some on
this group.

I couldn't find that one either. Again, your description of it does not support "cyclists are never at fault"

The racing cyclist that was going too fast around a bend and slid straight
under a very slow moving car coming in the opposite direction, again that
was the car driver's fault for not anticipating that it might happen
(according to people here)

Again, can you provide links to anyone saying "cyclists are never at fault"

The cyclist that made some strange manouevre and darted across the road and
under a car coming the other way, people here claimed that the car driver
was at fault.

Again, can you provide links to anyone saying "cyclists are never at fault"

The cyclist that knocked down an oap while riding in a pedestrian area and
then ran away, that was not his fault, it was the old man's.

I know that thread. Nobody claimed it was the old man's fault. It was suggested that the information you provided di not allow blame to be apportioned, but nobody claimed it was the old man's fault. Care to prove me wrong?

And definitely nobody claimed "cyclists are never at fault"

etc. etc

Not one single example of anyone claiming that "cyclists are never at fault"

That is because nobody has ever claimed that here. You just made it up.

Which was my original point.

PhilO wrote:
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:48:14 PM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
Tiesome that you haven't provided any links to the examples you
claim, but I'm happy to spend a biot of time looking to show your
claim that "Cyclists are never at fault" is unjustified.

How about the cyclist that rode down the (hill) pavement without
lights at night and straight into a parapet and down into a subway,
posters here claimed that was not his fault and that it was the
council's fault for allowing it to happen.

I couldn't find that thread - have you got a url for it? Your
description doesn't support your claim that "cyclists are never at
fault" though.

The girl that rode straight into the side of a lorry trailer while
wearing headphones, again that somehow was the lorry driver's fault
for not guessing that behind him a cyclist was going to ride off the
pavement and into him.

I found a couple of threads mentioning that incident, but couldn't
see anybody claiming cyclists are never at fault. Can you show me
where?

The racing cyclist that rode straight into a parked car with hazard
lights on, that was the car driver's fault for breaking down
according to some on this group.

I couldn't find that one either. Again, your description of it does
not support "cyclists are never at fault"

The racing cyclist that was going too fast around a bend and slid
straight under a very slow moving car coming in the opposite
direction, again that was the car driver's fault for not
anticipating that it might happen (according to people here)

Again, can you provide links to anyone saying "cyclists are never at
fault"

The cyclist that made some strange manouevre and darted across the
road and under a car coming the other way, people here claimed that
the car driver was at fault.

Again, can you provide links to anyone saying "cyclists are never at
fault"

The cyclist that knocked down an oap while riding in a pedestrian
area and then ran away, that was not his fault, it was the old man's.

I know that thread. Nobody claimed it was the old man's fault. It was
suggested that the information you provided di not allow blame to be
apportioned, but nobody claimed it was the old man's fault. Care to
prove me wrong?

And definitely nobody claimed "cyclists are never at fault"

etc. etc

Not one single example of anyone claiming that "cyclists are never at
fault"

That is because nobody has ever claimed that here. You just made it
up.

Which was my original point.

Excuses are made for each incident involving a cyclist, therefore cyclists
are never at fault.