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Old August 29th 18, 08:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill
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This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797

This is interesting from a political POV:

Someone living in the U. S. today, for example, might think that the combination of the new technology and the money to afford the new technology would be enough for motorists to run everyone else off the street _without_ any political work or organization whatsoever. This has certainly been true with info tech today and it was always true for aviation, i.e., planes landing on highways, no regulation of drones even today, etc.

But that wasn't the case a century ago. Apparently all human life was respected back then. Motorists had to get organized to run everyone else off the road!


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Old August 30th 18, 12:19 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:
This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797


Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when
turning.

Of course, any law that restricts the right to walk is inherently
anti-liberty; controls are only needed on those with the means to harm
others. The US seems to get its priorities the wrong way round.
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Old August 30th 18, 02:25 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:

On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:


This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797


Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when
turning.


The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to
give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in
both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn
right against a red traffic light does not undermine that.

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Old August 30th 18, 03:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:


This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797


Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when
turning.


The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to
give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in
both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn
right against a red traffic light does not undermine that.


Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing.
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Old August 30th 18, 07:32 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:


This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797

Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when
turning.


The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged
to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are
turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most
places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine
that.


Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing.


My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the
UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject
always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are
ignorant of it.

If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear
oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it
charitably).

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Old August 30th 18, 09:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:

This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797

Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way
when turning.

The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged
to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are
turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most
places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine
that.


Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing.


My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the
UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject
always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are
ignorant of it.

If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear
oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it
charitably).


Since you don't walk far how would you know?
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Old August 31st 18, 12:06 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:

This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797

Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend
to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way
when turning.

The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are
obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they
are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most
places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine
that.

Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing.


My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the
UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to,
subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law
or are ignorant of it.

If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom
appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting
it charitably).


Since you don't walk far how would you know?


What?

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Old August 31st 18, 10:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:

This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797

Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend
to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way
when turning.

The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are
obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which
they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in
most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not
undermine that.

Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing.

My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in
the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to,
subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law
or are ignorant of it.

If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom
appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting
it charitably).


Since you don't walk far how would you know?


What?


Perhaps an internet translation helps...

Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah?
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Old August 31st 18, 10:59 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.transport
JNugent[_10_]
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Default Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road

On 31/08/2018 10:37, TMS320 wrote:
On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:

This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with
little attempt to hide the plagiarism:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797

Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the
larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend
to be
in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at
intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger
gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with
sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way
when turning.

The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are
obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which
they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right
(in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does
not undermine that.

Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing.

My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in
the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to,
subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the
law or are ignorant of it.

If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom
appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's
putting it charitably).

Since you don't walk far how would you know?


What?


Perhaps an internet translation helps...

Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah?


You get more weird with every post, it seems.

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Old August 31st 18, 01:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.transport
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"JNugent" wrote in message
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The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are
obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they
are turning in both the UK and the USA.


Being obliged to give way to pedestrians who are actually crossing (ie
they're already in the road) makes a lot of sense, on a best-endeavours
basis if not a legal obligation, just as you would do you best to avoid
someone crossing anywhere else. But does UK and US law actually require you
to stop for someone who is waiting on the pavement to cross: is there a
portion of every road junction which has *implicit* zebra-crossing rules?

As a pedestrian, I would never step off the pavement unless I could see that
the road was clear: I would never *make* a car stop for me with the single
exception of a zebra crossing.

 




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