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dutch food is death: beyond, the ditch eat it for lunch, dinner and
breakfast.

what Joe is needs is Jobst Brandt's guide to scenic California rides!
does this exist?

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wrote:

On Aug 27, 12:29 am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Holy Regrettable Food, Batman!

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/spec.html

An old favourite, courtesy James Lileks:

(if you only have time to visit one gallery, you could do worse than
this one):

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/10PM/index.html


http://www.amalah.com/photos/the_com...ook/index.html

Although semi-inspired by Lileks, I actually
like this one better. Among other things, the
cookbook is contemporary, not a 1962 horrorshow.
People are making this stuff RIGHT NOW.
They may even be eating it.

The truly frightening thing is how many ways there
are to combine sausage, eggs, and cheese, each of
which is yummy in its own right, into something
which looks utterly disgusting.

I'll have the lobster thermidor aux crevettes with a
mornay sauce garnished with truffle pate, brandy and a
fried egg on top and spam.

--
Michael Press

I'll have the pork fat garnee and a pitcher of heavy cream

In article . com,
" wrote:

On Aug 27, 12:29 am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Holy Regrettable Food, Batman!

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/spec.html

An old favourite, courtesy James Lileks:

(if you only have time to visit one gallery, you could do worse than
this one):

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/10PM/index.html


http://www.amalah.com/photos/the_com...ook/index.html

Although semi-inspired by Lileks, I actually
like this one better. Among other things, the
cookbook is contemporary, not a 1962 horrorshow.
People are making this stuff RIGHT NOW.
They may even be eating it.

The truly frightening thing is how many ways there
are to combine sausage, eggs, and cheese, each of
which is yummy in its own right, into something
which looks utterly disgusting.

Ben

I'm a little confused. I've gotten about 10, 15 pages in, and the only
non-cheese dish is "Green Dessert."

I've also concluded that there's virtually no way to make a casserole
look non-regrettable.

My own contribution to regrettable food is this cake:

http://wiredcola.blogspot.com/2004/0...or-of-non.html

In all its glazed glory:

http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcol...pinecake-l.jpg

Tastes as good as it looks,

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

In article ,
Ryan Cousineau wrote:

My own contribution to regrettable food is this cake:

http://wiredcola.blogspot.com/2004/0...or-of-non.html

In all its glazed glory:

http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcol...pinecake-l.jpg

Tastes as good as it looks,

Not regrettable:

http://www.poubelle.com/images/Dec2002/puzzlecake.jpg

Scroll down for more info:
http://www.poubelle.com/butterpig/archives/000004.html

--
tanx,
Howard

Fabergé eggs are elegant but I prefer Fabergé bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

is there a cal rides guidebook?
I lost the link to the coast plateau ride? anyone know?
what's the train cost in Holland?
pas the rinds...

In article om,
datakoll wrote:

is there a cal rides guidebook?

For northern California, try "Roads to Ride" and "Roads to Ride South" by Grant
Peterson and John Kluge.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Sep 2, 11:06 am, Howard Kveck wrote:
In article om,

datakoll wrote:
is there a cal rides guidebook?

For northern California, try "Roads to Ride" and "Roads to Ride South" by Grant
Peterson and John Kluge.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

tanx Howard!
gee, I want to ride the plataeu ride. I believe the route is up around
below Mendocino. Was posted here or in RBT. There's a fairing equiped
recumbent and a map.

anyone know where Joeseph is? was he mugged at the Shasta rest area?

BURP!

Joseph! Here's the poop.
World Catalog at the local library in Advanced search:
WorldCat results for: kw: bicycle and kw: California and ((dt= "bks")
or (dt= "map") or (dt= "url")). (Save Search)
Records found: 1,095 Rank by: Number of Libraries
Posted to 100 titles for the malformed-several internet cites and maps
and historic materials published before bridges were invented

Roads to ride :
a bicyclist's topographic guide to Alameda, Contra Costa and Marin
counties /
Author: Petersen, Grant.; Anderson, Mary.
Publication: Berkeley, Calif. : Heyday Books, 1984
Document: English : Book

Roads to ride South : a bicyclist's topographic guide to San Mateo,
Santa Clara and Santa Cruz Counties /
Author: Petersen, Grant.; Kluge, John. Publication: Berkeley, Calif. :
Heyday Books, 1985
Document: English : Map Book
Libraries Worldwide: 46
· NorthernCalifa biking :150 of the best road and trail rides /
Author: Brown, Ann Marie.
· Publication: Emeryville, CA : Avalon Travel Pub., 2003, ©2002

Ho! for Yo-Semite by foot, horseback, horse-stage, horseless
carriage, bicycle & steam locomotive :
eleven original accounts of early day travel to Yosemite Valley /
Author: Johnston, Hank.
Publication: Yosemite National Park, Calif. : Yosemite Association,
2000
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 24
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The Asset Forfeiture Program
a case study of the Bicycle Club Casino : hearing before the Permanent
Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Governmental
Affairs, United States Senate, One Hundred Fourth Congress, second
session, March 19, 1996.
Corp Author: United States., Congress., Senate., Committee on
Governmental Affairs., Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.
Publication: Washington : U.S. G.P.O. : For sale by the U.S. G.P.O.,
Supt. of Docs., Congressional Sales Office, 1996
Document: English : Book : Microform
Libraries Worldwide: 22
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Touring the Los Angeles area by bicycle /
Author: Powers, Peter.
Publication: Eugene, Or. : Terragraphics, 1992
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 22
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Road biking, northern California :
road rides for the serious cyclist /
Author: Nagiecki, John.; Grob, Kimberly.; Grob, Kimberly.
Publication: Guilford, Conn. : Falcon, 2002
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 21
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Bicycle trails of southern California :
the definitive work on where to bicycle in southern California /
Author: Kurk, David.; Miller, Robert H.
Publication: Los Angeles : Price/Stern/Sloan, 1974
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 21
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Sonoma County bike trails /
Author: Neumann, Phyllis L.
Publication: Penngrove, Calif. : Sonoma County Bike Trails, 1978
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 21
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A bicyclist's guide to Bay Area history /
Author: O'Hare, Carol.; Olsen, Nancy,
Publication: Sunnyvale, CA : Bear Flag Books, 1985
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 21
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Bicycling through the Mother Lode.
Publication: [Sacramento] : California State Dept. of Parks and
Recreation ; [California] : American Revolution Bicentennial
Commission of California, 1975
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 21
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Mountain biking the San Francisco Bay Area :
a guide to the Bay Area's greatest off-road bicycle rides /
Author: Jackson, Lorene.
Publication: Guilford, CT : Globe Pequot Press, 2004
Document: English : Book

Mountain biking Southern California /
Author: Ross, Mark A., 1968-; Fine, Brad L.,
Publication: Helena, Mont. : Falcon, 1999
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 30
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Mountain bike! Southern California : a guide to the classic
trails /
Author: Story, David, 1962- Publication: Birmingham, Ala. : Menasha
Ridge Press, ; [Guilford Conn] : Distributed by The Globe Pequot
Press. 2001
Document: English : Book Internet Resource
Libraries Worldwide: 27
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Bicycling California's spine :
touring the length of the Sierra Nevada /
Author: Paul, Bil, 1943-
Publication: San Francisco, Calif. : Alchemist/Light Pub., 1981
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 26
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The Bay Area Ridge Trail :
ridgetop adventures above San Francisco Bay /
Author: Rusmore, Jean.
Publication: Berkeley : Wilderness Press, 2002
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 40
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.. Bicycling Baja :
cyclists' guide to major scenic and historic routes through fabulous
Baja California /
Author: Wong, Bonnie, 1946-
Publication: San Diego : Sunbelt Publications, 1988
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 40
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Bay area bike rides /
Author: Hosler, Ray.
Publication: San Francisco : Chronicle Books, 1990
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 39
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Pico Street stories & the fortunes of Pedro /
Author: Tufts, Kingsley, 1907-
Publication: Santa Barbara, Calif. : J. Daniel & Co., 1998, 1984
Document: English : Book : Fiction
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Bay Area bike rides /
Author: Hosler, Ray.
Publication: San Francisco : Chronicle Books, 1994
Document: English : Book
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Bay Area bike rides /
Author: Hosler, Ray.
Publication: San Francisco : Chronicle Books, 2002
Document: English : Book
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The best bike rides in California /
Author: Grob, Kimberly.
Publication: Old Saybrook, Conn. : Globe Pequot Press, 1995
Document: English : Book
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50 southern California bicycle trips /
Author: Schad, Jerry.; Krupp, Don.,
Publication: Beaverton, Or. : Touchstone Press, 1976
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 33

Roads to ride South : a bicyclist's topographic guide to San Mateo,
Santa Clara and Santa Cruz Counties /
Author: Petersen, Grant.; Kluge, John. Publication: Berkeley, Calif. :
Heyday Books, 1985
Document: English : Map Book
Libraries Worldwide: 46
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Cyclists' route atlas :
a guide to the Gold Country & High Sierra/south /
Author: Braun, Randall Gray.
Publication: Berkeley, Calif. : Heyday Books, 1988
Document: English : Book
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Grape expeditions in California :
15 tours across the California wine country /
Lena Emmery; Sally Taylor
1987 5th ed.
English Book 77 p. : ill., maps ; 21 cm.
San Francisco, CA, USA : S. Taylor & Friends, ; ISBN: 0934101000 :
9780934101004
Investigation of motor vehicle/bicycle collision parameters /
Author: Roland, H. E.
Publication: Washington, D.C. : The Administration ; Springfield,
Va. : National Technical Information Service [distributor, 1979
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 55
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A bicyclist's guide to Bay Area history /
Author: O'Hare, Carol.
Publication: Sunnyvale, Calif. : Fair Oaks Pub., 1989
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 55 Brevard County Libraries
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Mountain bicycling in the San Gabriels /
Author: Immler, Robert.
Publication: Berkeley : Wilderness Press, 1987
Document: English : Book
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Mountain bike! Northern California :
a guide to the classic trails /
Author: Austin, Linda Gong.
Publication: Birmingham, Ala. : Menasha Ridge Press : Distributed by
the Globe Pequot Press, 2000
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Bicycle touring in Los Angeles,
Author: Weltman, Gershon, 1936-; Dubin, Elisha,
Publication: Los Angeles, Ward Ritchie Press 1972
Document: English : Book
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Touring California's wine country by bicycle /
Author: Powers, Peter.; Carlson, Melissa.
Publication: Eugene, Or. : Terragraphics, 1990
Document: English : Book
The relation of maximal oxygen intake to performance on a bicycle
ergometer
Author: Bruce, John Ronald. Publication: 1967
Dissertation: Thesis (M.A.)--University of California, 1967.
Document: English : Book : Thesis/dissertation/manuscript :
Microform Archival Material
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Family bike rides :
a guide to over 40 specially selected bicycle routes in northern
California /
Author: Grossberg, Milton A.
Publication: San Francisco : Chronicle Books, 1981
Document: English : Book
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L.A. bike rides :
a guide to 37 specially selected bicycle routes in Los Angeles
County /
Author: Mac Arthur, Loren.
Publication: San Francisco : Chronicle Books, 1985
Document: English : Book
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Bicycling country roads from San Jose to Santa Barbara /
Author: Rife, Joanne.
Publication: Santa Cruz : Western Tanager Press, 1982
Document: English : Book
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Mountain bike! Southern California :
a guide to the classic trails /
Author: Story, David, 1962-; Leman, Laurie.; Leman, Chris., and
others
Publication: Birmingham, Ala. : Menasha Ridge Press, 1999
Document: English : Book
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Bicycle planning and design /
Author: Mayer, Richard W.
Publication: [Washington, D.C.] : American Society of Landscape
Architects, 1978
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Touring the San Francisco Bay Area by bicycle /
Author: Powers, Peter.; Carlson, Melissa.
Publication: Eugene, Or. : Terragraphics, 1990
Document: English : Book
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Map of California roads for cyclers

http://www.davidrumsey.com/insightre...C2&gwia=3&gc=0
Author: Blum, George W. Publication: [San Francisco : The Author] :
Edward Denny & Co., sole agents, 1896 In: Cyclers' guide and road book
of California. San Francisco : The Author, 1896, c1895. inside back
cover
Document: English : Internet Resource Map Computer File
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Bicycle rides.
Los Angeles County /
Author: Brundige, Don.; Brundige, Sharron.; Brundige, Don.
Publication: San Pedro, Calif. : B-D Enterprises, 1989
Document: English : Book
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San Francisco Peninsula bike trails :
road and mountain bicycle rides through San Francisco and San Mateo
counties /
Author: Boisvert, Conrad J.
Publication: Penngrove, CA : Penngrove Publications, 1991
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 17

San Francisco Peninsula bike trails :
road and mountain bicycle rides through San Francisco and San Mateo
counties /
Author: Boisvert, Conrad J.
Publication: Penngrove, CA : Penngrove Publications, 1991
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 17

Mendocino coast bike rides :
road & trail rides from easy to advanced /
Author: Lorentzen, Bob, 1949-
Publication: Mendocino, Calif. : Bored Feet Publications, 1996
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 17

Sonoma County bike trails :
easy to challenging bicycle rides for touring and mountain bikes /
Author: Neumann, Phyllis L.
Publication: Penngrove, Calif. : Penngrove Publications, 1999
Document: English : Book
Libraries Worldwide: 17
Cycling San Diego /
Author: Schad, Jerry.; Krupp, Don.
Publication: San Diego, CA : Centra Publications, 1986
Document: English : Book
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Thanks for all the info everyone. Some of it was even pertinent and
useful!

I'm back from my scouting trip. I drove over 2,600 miles (4,100km) all
over the place. I also went for about 10 hours of bike rides using a
folding 5 speed Dahon I borrowed. I wasn't planning on borrowing the
bike, so I brought no cycling clothes, but that was just as well. I
went on one ride in 110F (44C) for 2.5 hours in the hills north of
Fresno. The other rides were shorter and in slightly less demanding
conditions. I didn't go on any group rides, but I went on rides
recommended by local bike shops.

Here are a few observations (backed up by rigorous statistical
analysis and sound scientific reasoning, and as such incontrovertible
fact):

Riding on wide bike lanes is comforting in some ways, but something
I'd need getting used to. I am used to hearing the cars (and trucks!)
approching from the rear slow down when they get close. When they keep
their speed it triggers a panic response I'll need to retrain.

4-way stop signs blow. Stop signs in general blow. I'm used to yeild
signs. Something else to get used to.

On the highway in cars, lane discipline is a foreign concept of which
almost everyone seems completely oblivious.

On 2-lane roads, despite having cars with bags of power, most people
are very timid about passing. I drive a 1.4 liter Fiat at home, so the
3 liter BMW I borrowed was a dream for getting around slow pokes,
often as many as 5 or 6 at a time.

People who can't see over the steering wheel ought not drive huge
SUVs.

People from Oregon are morons.

Mexican people in mexican restarants, taco trucks, etc are exceedingly
friendly and talkative with Anglos like myself. I take this to mean
these places are infrequenlty (never?) visited by Anglos. The women in
these places were also particulary flirtatious.

Chrome 22's are apparently more desirable than not living in the
ghetto.

I now really now what the term Fatty Master means. I have realized
that I'm actually not that fat, nor particularly slow.

I saw very few cyclists, even though I made a point of testing
virtually all the local riding roads recommended by shops. My price
range keeps me out of the Bay Area and some of the more rideable LA
areas so I didn't even bother looking there. Perhaps I would have seen
more cyclists in those places.

Apart from the immediated downtown areas or by looking around at the
surrounding hills (if there are any), almost all the smaller cities
and towns are indistinguishable from one another. This means that
price and proximity to good riding roads (irrespective of the riding
scene) will probably guide my ultimate choice.

Joseph