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Old December 17th 07, 03:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Jackson
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The latest CTC e-newsletter has a link to their response to an
important consultation on government guidance for design for cycling.

The CTC's response is here
http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...draft)_con.doc
(sadly a Word file with the edits left visible in the change tracking).

I've on occasion been quite critical of the CTC but this seem to be an
example of a very good and useful piece of work. What can we best do
to try to get the DfT to accept as many of the CTC's representations
as possible ?

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Old December 17th 07, 07:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
naked_draughtsman
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

On Dec 17, 2:29 pm, Ian Jackson
wrote:
The latest CTC e-newsletter has a link to their response to an
important consultation on government guidance for design for cycling.

The CTC's response is here
http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...draft)_con.doc
(sadly a Word file with the edits left visible in the change tracking).

I've on occasion been quite critical of the CTC but this seem to be an
example of a very good and useful piece of work. What can we best do
to try to get the DfT to accept as many of the CTC's representations
as possible ?


The DfT will probably include all reasonable suggestions in a nice
report/guide which will then be ignored by most local authorities
because it's only 'guidance'.
Even though Wrexham county council has a 'cycling strategy' which
gives reasonably good design guidance it seems to have been largely
ignored.

peter
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Old December 17th 07, 08:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ekul Namsob
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

naked_draughtsman wrote:

The DfT will probably include all reasonable suggestions in a nice
report/guide which will then be ignored by most local authorities
because it's only 'guidance'.
Even though Wrexham county council has a 'cycling strategy' which
gives reasonably good design guidance it seems to have been largely
ignored.


If someone is injured, partly as a result of a facility that has been
designed poorly, could such guidance be used to claim compensation and
consequently to encourage the council to improve the design of its
facility?

Cheers,
Luke


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Old December 17th 07, 08:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ekul Namsob
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

Ian Jackson wrote:

The latest CTC e-newsletter has a link to their response to an
important consultation on government guidance for design for cycling.

The CTC's response is here
http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...draft)_con.doc
(sadly a Word file with the edits left visible in the change tracking).

I've on occasion been quite critical of the CTC but this seem to be an
example of a very good and useful piece of work. What can we best do
to try to get the DfT to accept as many of the CTC's representations
as possible ?


Once the CTC has decided on its response, I might suggest that it would
be helpful for as many cyclists as possible to write to their MPs, much
as they did about the Highway Code.

Cheers,
Luke


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exile in Lancashire http://www.shrimper.org.uk
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Old December 17th 07, 10:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation


"Ekul Namsob" wrote in message
news:1i9a4tq.1kf4ev81147e3fN%notmyaddress.1.ekulna ...
Ian Jackson wrote:

The latest CTC e-newsletter has a link to their response to an
important consultation on government guidance for design for cycling.

The CTC's response is here
http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...draft)_con.doc
(sadly a Word file with the edits left visible in the change tracking).

I've on occasion been quite critical of the CTC but this seem to be an
example of a very good and useful piece of work. What can we best do
to try to get the DfT to accept as many of the CTC's representations
as possible ?


Once the CTC has decided on its response, I might suggest that it would
be helpful for as many cyclists as possible to write to their MPs, much
as they did about the Highway Code.

Cheers,
Luke


Excellent idea, count me in.

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Old December 18th 07, 10:22 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Graham Harrison[_2_]
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation


"burtthebike" wrote in message
. uk...

"Ekul Namsob" wrote in message
news:1i9a4tq.1kf4ev81147e3fN%notmyaddress.1.ekulna ...
Ian Jackson wrote:

The latest CTC e-newsletter has a link to their response to an
important consultation on government guidance for design for cycling.

The CTC's response is here
http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...draft)_con.doc
(sadly a Word file with the edits left visible in the change tracking).

I've on occasion been quite critical of the CTC but this seem to be an
example of a very good and useful piece of work. What can we best do
to try to get the DfT to accept as many of the CTC's representations
as possible ?


Once the CTC has decided on its response, I might suggest that it would
be helpful for as many cyclists as possible to write to their MPs, much
as they did about the Highway Code.

Cheers,
Luke


Excellent idea, count me in.


And please remember to remind us.


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Old December 18th 07, 12:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Adrian Godwin
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

Ekul Namsob wrote:

If someone is injured, partly as a result of a facility that has been
designed poorly, could such guidance be used to claim compensation and
consequently to encourage the council to improve the design of its
facility?


IANAL, but I would have thought published guidelines would represent a
statement of 'best practice'. Failure to follow this would be an issue
in a negligence, duty-of-care or H&S action.

It might be interesting to pick some facility-of-the-month that
fails to meet advisory standards and get some legal advice on
the council's liability. Most councils would probably react by
closing the facility rather than fixing it, but sometimes that
would be a good thing.

-adrian

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Old December 18th 07, 06:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Rob Morley
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

In article , Adrian Godwin
says...
Most councils would probably react by
closing the facility rather than fixing it, but sometimes that
would be a good thing.


More than sometimes, I think. :-)
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Old December 18th 07, 06:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ekul Namsob
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

Graham Harrison wrote:

"burtthebike" wrote in message
. uk...

"Ekul Namsob" wrote in message
news:1i9a4tq.1kf4ev81147e3fN%notmyaddress.1.ekulna ...
Ian Jackson wrote:


I've on occasion been quite critical of the CTC but this seem to be an
example of a very good and useful piece of work. What can we best do
to try to get the DfT to accept as many of the CTC's representations
as possible ?

Once the CTC has decided on its response, I might suggest that it would
be helpful for as many cyclists as possible to write to their MPs, much
as they did about the Highway Code.


Excellent idea, count me in.


And please remember to remind us.


I'm not in the CTC, largely because I thought they were rather crap
about the Highway Code, so I'm not very likely to find out about their
final response in a hurry. I'm beginning to reconsider my stance on
membership though.

Cheers,
Luke


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Old December 19th 07, 07:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default CTC and the DfT design guidance consultation

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
The latest CTC e-newsletter has a link to their response to an
important consultation on government guidance for design for cycling.

The CTC's response is here
http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...draft)_con.doc
(sadly a Word file with the edits left visible in the change tracking).


Interesting document which I'll be studying more closely. Wasn't sure
whether to laugh or cry at the sentence towards the end of 1.4 saying "Given
the difficulties of sourcing good photographs of correctly designed
infrastructure...." Maybe offer local authorities a cash prize for building
one of them so that I can wander along and take a snap?


 




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